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Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by pyr0hu »

mmastrac wrote: post #60

The heavier IDEs are in real trouble given the impressive state of VS Code lately. I haven't found the need to reach for a bigger IDE than Code in a while and I've been perfectly productive in JS, C, Rust and Python projects lately. Do yourself a favour and try out Code for your next project.

Thanks, but no thanks. I mainly code in PHP and VS Code even with proper plugins and Intelephense can not come near PHPStorm's utility. I've tried everything for PHP nowadays, Vim + LSP, Sublime + LSP, VSCode. It's PHPStorm all the way.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by mrunkel »

Aeolun wrote: post #67
mike wrote: post #43

Nicely communicated. Everything that JetBrains does around their pricing and subscription model always feels really fair and classy to me. (perpetual fallback licensing, continuity discounts). In this case, being completely upfront in the post title that this is a price increase, no "Updated pricing" or "Revised pricing" etc. Reasonable notice period with an option to renew for multiple years at the current pricing b…

To be fair, if a huge number of people renew at the current rate for 3 years that’s a nice war-chest for Jetbrains in the coming years.

I just logged into my account, I can't see a way to renew for three years. The only option I have is to switch from annual to monthly billing.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by ziddoap »

vfclists wrote: post #49
Aeolun wrote: post #10

What the hell is up with prices? Everything I pay in dollars became 20% more expensive. My cereal became 20% more expensive. Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. This is the first time in my life (34 yo) that price changes have been so large that they’re apparent to me. And even with a dev salary the combined amount is high enough that it has an impact on my behavior.

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The parent poster says they notice a 20% increase in prices, and you reply with paragraphs on paragraphs of "you have a mental problem" and "stop whining". A bit ironic, if you ask me.

You are reading way too much into the parents comment.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by skinnymuch »

valcron1000 wrote: post #76
JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My cereal became 20% more expensive. > Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. I understand the frustration but surely you can see the causality link here? Jetbrains employees have to eat too. The individual solution is sadly for you to ask for a 20% raise and screw people down the line. Global solution would be enforced price controls, we know it works because France did it after the war, the government imposed lowe…

If price controls worked I would be living in a paradise. Yet here I am, +80% inflation expected for this year alone (Argentina)

Blaming price control as the issue or really any one exonomic argument for Argentina won’t work. Argentina has been a failure in so many ways. Not all of it only the countries fault either.

We can see having tons of natural resources can be great. Canada and Norway are good examples. There are specific reasons why most other resource rich countries in Africa, ME, South America, have not fared as well.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by dcminter »

202206241203 wrote: post #75
mike wrote: post #43

Nicely communicated. Everything that JetBrains does around their pricing and subscription model always feels really fair and classy to me. (perpetual fallback licensing, continuity discounts). In this case, being completely upfront in the post title that this is a price increase, no "Updated pricing" or "Revised pricing" etc. Reasonable notice period with an option to renew for multiple years at the current pricing b…

> During this time, we have introduced new products that have been included at no extra cost to everyone using the latter. It's like a landlord doing unrequested renovation and then sending a bill.

It really isn't.

https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/206544679-What...

I can stop paying and carry on using the product indefinitely. Try that with your landlord regardless of renovations!

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by bogwog »

mmastrac wrote: post #78
valcron1000 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no comparison between using VSCode and IntelliJ for Java development

There's Eclipse too. It was almost always the better IDE for pure Java development. IntelliJ was always heavier and buggier whenever I tried using it.

> IntelliJ was always heavier and buggier whenever I tried using it

Google switched from Eclipse to IntelliJ for Android Studio mostly because everyone hated how heavy and buggy Eclipse was.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by samwillis »

202206241203 wrote: post #75
mike wrote: post #43

Nicely communicated. Everything that JetBrains does around their pricing and subscription model always feels really fair and classy to me. (perpetual fallback licensing, continuity discounts). In this case, being completely upfront in the post title that this is a price increase, no "Updated pricing" or "Revised pricing" etc. Reasonable notice period with an option to renew for multiple years at the current pricing b…

> During this time, we have introduced new products that have been included at no extra cost to everyone using the latter. It's like a landlord doing unrequested renovation and then sending a bill.

No, its like a landlord doing renovations and improvements to keep up with the local property market and then putting rent up to match those improvements and maintain parity with the market. (with notice and options to pay old level for period upfront)

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by lolinder »

202206241203 wrote: post #75
mike wrote: post #43

Nicely communicated. Everything that JetBrains does around their pricing and subscription model always feels really fair and classy to me. (perpetual fallback licensing, continuity discounts). In this case, being completely upfront in the post title that this is a price increase, no "Updated pricing" or "Revised pricing" etc. Reasonable notice period with an option to renew for multiple years at the current pricing b…

> During this time, we have introduced new products that have been included at no extra cost to everyone using the latter. It's like a landlord doing unrequested renovation and then sending a bill.

More like a landlord doing renovation, feeling the budget crunch, and looking at the calendar and realizing "Oops! I forgot to raise rent in the past 7 years!"

The price increase they're asking for is approximately equal to inflation from 2015-2021. They don't even try to include the last year's inflation.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by dotancohen »

Aeolun wrote: post #10

What the hell is up with prices? Everything I pay in dollars became 20% more expensive. My cereal became 20% more expensive. Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. This is the first time in my life (34 yo) that price changes have been so large that they’re apparent to me. And even with a dev salary the combined amount is high enough that it has an impact on my behavior.

  > My cereal became 20% more expensive.
  > Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive.
Actually, the Jetbrains price hike is under 12%, so in relative terms, Jetbrains has gotten cheaper than everything else.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by devmor »

mmastrac wrote: post #60

The heavier IDEs are in real trouble given the impressive state of VS Code lately. I haven't found the need to reach for a bigger IDE than Code in a while and I've been perfectly productive in JS, C, Rust and Python projects lately. Do yourself a favour and try out Code for your next project.

I feel the opposite way. VSCode feels clunky and disjointed compared to the experience I get from JetBrains IDEs.

Also, both have 3rd party plug-ins but JetBrains seems to contain a lot more of the features I want as first class integrations whereas I generally have to find a plugin for VSCode and hope it's well maintained.

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