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Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by michaelanckaert »

annowiki wrote: post #24
michaelanckaert wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a big user of both Vim and Emacs and agree that they offer huge productivity boosts as editors. The speed that modal editing (Vim) gives you or the extensibility of Emacs is unparalleled. But at the same time I believe it’s naive to underestimate the productivity offered by IDEs such as IntelliJ or Pycharm. While news tools such as LSP are wonderful additions to Vil/Emacs, the experience doesn’t come close to wha…

IdeaVim works fine. I can't use vim sandwich and that's about my only complaint. I was firmly resistant to IDEs like OP and quite in love with neovim for years. Tried PyCharm because of work, never looking back. I could never find just a simple debugger for vim that was easy and intuitive to set up. Always had trouble. And now, the in-IDE Jupyter Notebooks that allow me to use vim keybindings (albeit with an annoying…

IdeaVim is really great. The only reason I prefer Neovim is because I have certain plugins setup that I’m used to.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by yole »

JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #32

In general I think a price increase is reasonable but Jetbrains also had to fire most of its staff because of the war and development has slowed to a crawl. I still pay because I want to support them and their stance but paying more for less leaves a bad aftertaste.

https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/graphs/commi...

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by mike »

Nicely communicated. Everything that JetBrains does around their pricing and subscription model always feels really fair and classy to me. (perpetual fallback licensing, continuity discounts).

In this case, being completely upfront in the post title that this is a price increase, no "Updated pricing" or "Revised pricing" etc. Reasonable notice period with an option to renew for multiple years at the current pricing before the change comes into effect.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by JustFinishedBSG »

moonocle wrote: post #38
JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #32

In general I think a price increase is reasonable but Jetbrains also had to fire most of its staff because of the war and development has slowed to a crawl. I still pay because I want to support them and their stance but paying more for less leaves a bad aftertaste.

They didn't fire most of their staff. They closed the Russian offices and offered relocation to everyone in Russia (and many took it). I mean they were practically forced to close their Russian offices with the current political situation and war going on. The relocation process is very expensive as well as opening new offices in Europe and rehiring there as CoL and salaries in Europe are much higher.

I know they were forced. I know they did it the most humane way possible. This is precisely why I support them financially. Doesn't change the fact that they had to let go of a huge portion of their staff. Call it firing, or special unemployment operation, the result is still the same; and I can't help but notice that updates are now very, very sparse and pretty minor ( maybe its a pure coincidence because they are busy with Fleet and the Java update who knows ).

All in all it’s understandable and not a big deal but when faced, like right now, with whether I should prepay 3 years or not it's hard not to think about the future of the company.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by gghhzzgghhzz »

phpisthebest wrote: post #14
Aeolun wrote: post #10

What the hell is up with prices? Everything I pay in dollars became 20% more expensive. My cereal became 20% more expensive. Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. This is the first time in my life (34 yo) that price changes have been so large that they’re apparent to me. And even with a dev salary the combined amount is high enough that it has an impact on my behavior.

Well when 80% of all US Dollars were "printed" / created in the last 2-3 years massive inflation will follow What we are seeing is the predictable result of the classic monetary models, and a rejection of Modern Monetary Theory which linked limits of government spending to the availability of real resources, like workers. Which is why you see people like The Treasury Sec saying the Economy is good because of employme…

Prices are not rising because people have too much money and are over purchasing food and energy just to show off to their neighbours.

If that were the case then there are things that would work. Increase taxes on income, unearned income, wealth and excess profits to take money out of the economy (MMT theory would support this if the issue was genuinely too much money) Introduce price controls and rationing on food and basic services including energy and housing to stop profiteering.

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Post by solids »

JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #40
Aeolun wrote: post #10

What the hell is up with prices? Everything I pay in dollars became 20% more expensive. My cereal became 20% more expensive. Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. This is the first time in my life (34 yo) that price changes have been so large that they’re apparent to me. And even with a dev salary the combined amount is high enough that it has an impact on my behavior.

> My cereal became 20% more expensive. > Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. I understand the frustration but surely you can see the causality link here? Jetbrains employees have to eat too. The individual solution is sadly for you to ask for a 20% raise and screw people down the line. Global solution would be enforced price controls, we know it works because France did it after the war, the government imposed lowe…

IMHO enforced price controls leads to shortages (and I experienced them first hand, I was born in Argentina)

Also using an example from 70 years ago doesn’t seem enough to justify it.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by JustFinishedBSG »

solids wrote: post #46
JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My cereal became 20% more expensive. > Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. I understand the frustration but surely you can see the causality link here? Jetbrains employees have to eat too. The individual solution is sadly for you to ask for a 20% raise and screw people down the line. Global solution would be enforced price controls, we know it works because France did it after the war, the government imposed lowe…

IMHO enforced price controls leads to shortages (and I experienced them first hand, I was born in Argentina) Also using an example from 70 years ago doesn’t seem enough to justify it.

A cynical person could say that today is the perfect time for enforced prices because there alreay is a shortage of everything.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by monkey_monkey »

JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #44
moonocle wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't fire most of their staff. They closed the Russian offices and offered relocation to everyone in Russia (and many took it). I mean they were practically forced to close their Russian offices with the current political situation and war going on. The relocation process is very expensive as well as opening new offices in Europe and rehiring there as CoL and salaries in Europe are much higher.

I know they were forced. I know they did it the most humane way possible. This is precisely why I support them financially. Doesn't change the fact that they had to let go of a huge portion of their staff. Call it firing, or special unemployment operation , the result is still the same; and I can't help but notice that updates are now very, very sparse and pretty minor ( maybe its a pure coincidence because they are…

Then don't prepay. The cost difference (for the all products pack) is around £50 over 3 years.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by vfclists »

Aeolun wrote: post #10

What the hell is up with prices? Everything I pay in dollars became 20% more expensive. My cereal became 20% more expensive. Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. This is the first time in my life (34 yo) that price changes have been so large that they’re apparent to me. And even with a dev salary the combined amount is high enough that it has an impact on my behavior.

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Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by daveoc64 »

weberer wrote: post #35
qwerty456127 wrote: post #25

Well in advance. Thanks. By the way I think it would be nice to also have a hobbyist license option for those who barely use it and don't earn any money this way. The actual price seems almost free in terms of how much a full-time developer would earn using it yet slightly expensive for something [awesome] I only launch on some occasions a year.

They do if you contribute to an open source project. There's also Pycharm Community edition which is available through the package manager of most Linux distros. https://www.jetbrains.com/community/opensource/#support

JetBrains offers free versions of several of their IDEs (e.g. IntelliJ IDEA Community), but nothing for .NET
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