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Would they? What's that god they killed for?
The state?
$RELIGIONS have the group, they state AND the $GOD get people motivated. They can promise the hereafter.
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>I thought the New Testament was a replacement for the Old Nope. Otherwise why is the Old Testament still in the bible?
Context? Different Christian religions and people have varying ways of reconciling the two. I (raised Catholic) was taught essentially that with Jesus's death, the old rules went out the window; all that goofy shit God used to command the Israelites to do didn't need to happen anymore because Jesus's death made up for it. So the Old Testament isn't super relevant outside of providing the context for the New Testament…
Other Catholics disagree with your interpretation: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/did-jesus-r...
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Having a divine revelation that the dhimmis are plotting to murder you (and therefore should be forced pay you a 50% tax in perpetuity under threat of expulsion or death, of course) can hardly be considered a purely political, non-religious reason. Or a trope.
Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza FYI: there exists many other Jewish tribes, this ones killed for the reasons stated in article. Please read a bit before you talk, it is embarrassing!
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Context? Different Christian religions and people have varying ways of reconciling the two. I (raised Catholic) was taught essentially that with Jesus's death, the old rules went out the window; all that goofy shit God used to command the Israelites to do didn't need to happen anymore because Jesus's death made up for it. So the Old Testament isn't super relevant outside of providing the context for the New Testament…
Other Catholics disagree with your interpretation: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/did-jesus-r...
Pointing out a diversity of viewpoints among Catholics is a poor way of refuting the existence of a diversity of viewpoints on the same point within the wider space of Christianity.
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#85Please consider belief in $GOD as different from $RELIGION. Consider one the theory and the other the implementation, and the latter seems to cause way more difficulties, particularly with respect to the hardware.
> Please consider belief in $GOD as ... Hmm ... isn't God a value, not a variable?
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we have far similar values with each other than with atheists. I would describe the values of the altruistic modern atheism of people I know, which has a lot in common with Christianity and Judaism at the big picture level, as "be good, do good." One needn't believe in God or gods to believe in good.
Values concerning sexual purity, obscenity, drug use, the transcendence of the almighty God, the material and immaterial parts of mankind, and the complementary roles of men and women are inherent in Biblical teaching. Some of these can be present among atheists, and they may be regarded as good. The difference is these values (and more) are present and regarded as good in varying degrees in every Abrahamic religion.…
This gets into old, old discussions we had at school in the 70's. There are ethics, which are fundamental properties of humans, and morals, which are constructs built on top of ethics. Ethics are shared amongst humans - don't kill, try to help, raise the next generation, preserve the last generation. These are the default conditions picked by the evolutionary pressure that got us here.
Morals, on the other hand, are constructs. Given by $GOD, constructed to understand why ethics exist, why there are certain trends that are shared - these were cited forming govts, etc.
Not saying these are grounded in the definitions of language or sociology, merely that these kinds of discussions were everpresent when people get together with time to think. In this case, it was uni. In Ancient Greece, it was the marketplace. To try again, consider ethics things which are done and morality is an attempt to explain WHY they are done. Fear of consequence, desire to gain, justification, ...
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#87Please consider belief in $GOD as different from $RELIGION. Consider one the theory and the other the implementation, and the latter seems to cause way more difficulties, particularly with respect to the hardware.
> Please consider belief in $GOD as ... Hmm ... isn't God a value, not a variable?
$GOD is both an environmental variable, set upon system initialization and the value contained in the $GOD environmental variable. It is the Alpha and Omega, set first upon startup and cleared last upon shutdown. Unfortunately, it's up to the user's shell to interpret it.
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What are you talking about. In Islam the Quran is considered the final revelation of God that is to remain preserved until the day of judgement. The previous prophets like Moses and Jesus (Peace be upon them) came with revelation too but they were corrupted by man who ascribed things to Allah by adding stuff up to the books. Look how many version of the bibles there is. However, there is only one Quran. 114 chapters.…
>However, there is only one Quran Nope. Although the Quran is very well preserved for such an old document, there are multiple variants. Muslims often claim it's perfectly preserved, but it's just not. See for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYwwX5lc_ww (start 8 minutes in).
The variants you're referring to are just changes in pronounciation not meaning. (It's called a qiraat and there are 10) It's like if someone from the UK and someone from San diego pronounce the same sentence. It will sound different because of their accent but it's the same thing. So I stand by what I say the quran is perfectly preserved.
If you want to dive in further here is a video that address the issue of what you linked : https://youtu.be/eTz96M1AkVo?t=400 There are many such online.
At the end of the day there is only one Quran with 114 chapters it's start with surat Al-Fatiha and ends with the last surat An-Nas.
If you want to learn more about Islam. I recommend the One Message Foundation channel : https://www.youtube.com/c/OneMessageFoundation/videos
Finally, I want to invite you to become a muslim. Meaning, I invite you to submit your will to the one and only creator the same one who sent Moses, Jesus and Mohammed (Peace be upon them all) so that you may attain eternal paradise and avoid hell. In the end you make your choice and I'm only here as a conveyor of the message.
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The state?
$RELIGIONS have the group, they state AND the $GOD get people motivated. They can promise the hereafter.
The hereafter...
I think even without believing in an afterlife in your religion, you can believe some idea or value transcends your own death. For example a person could say "I am okay with dying young in an atrocious urban conflict if it means that in the future we can start a socialist regime where everyone has food, health care and shelter provided by the state as it should have been for my family."
It's not a promise of an afterlife, but it is a promise for something good existing after your life because of your willingness to take on death. And in that way, an ideology can inhabit tons of the psychological territory that religion often does.