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Unfortunately, that's true in both the positive and negative sense, as atheists have no $GOD to kill for.
Mao and Stalin might disagree.
Would they? What's that god they killed for?
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#42Please consider belief in $GOD as different from $RELIGION. Consider one the theory and the other the implementation, and the latter seems to cause way more difficulties, particularly with respect to the hardware.
> Please consider belief in $GOD as ...
Hmm ... isn't God a value, not a variable?
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What are you talking about. In Islam the Quran is considered the final revelation of God that is to remain preserved until the day of judgement. The previous prophets like Moses and Jesus (Peace be upon them) came with revelation too but they were corrupted by man who ascribed things to Allah by adding stuff up to the books.
Look how many version of the bibles there is. However, there is only one Quran. 114 chapters. It always start with surat Al-Fatiha and ends with surat Al-Anas.
The Quran is memorized by millions of muslims word by word. There is even a quran in a museum in the UK, Birmigham where it was carbon dated around the time of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). This demonstrate that the quran is preserved.
Moses and Jesus and all the previous prophets are muslims. In the sense that muslims means someone who submits his will to the one creator. However, as throught history it always devolved into polytheism. Look at christianity with the concept of the trinity. Islam is so simple and make so much more sense just worship one creator. He is not a man, not a woman doesn't have children, He is above all of this.
I would suggest looking at this video : What is the difference between the Quran & the Bible? | Great Explanation | Sh. Uthman Ibn Farooq : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0WSzqnJzRo
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The differences between those 'last few prophets' are major. You could say the same thing about Mormonism. Further, Jews, Muslims, and Christians are not monoliths in and of themselves. There are vast divides within those groups. I do wish we would all get along better though. Despite the differences between the various Abrahamic faiths, we have far similar values with each other than with atheists.
we have far similar values with each other than with atheists.
I would describe the values of the altruistic modern atheism of people I know, which has a lot in common with Christianity and Judaism at the big picture level, as "be good, do good." One needn't believe in God or gods to believe in good.
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> In fact, many Christians and Jews were murdered or enslaved at his command because they refused to follow him.
That is false. The prophet Muhammad never killed Jews or Christians for not following Islam. The Jews he fought with and killed were due to political reasons. In most cases, treachery. One group he had a treaty with tried to assassinate him, for example.
This is a common islamaphobic trope.
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#47As a Canadian who spends a considerable amount of time travelling to the US, the difference is fairly striking. Religion enters almost every conversation I have in the US in some way. Whereas in Canada, religion almost never comes up. If it does, it's generally a discussion on the merits where I'm talking more about history and culture. It's fascinating how two places, so geographically close can be so culturally dif…
I've lived in the US for the past 12 years. I never had a conversation about religion. Do you remember the context when it came up for you?
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Yep! Now, I've primarily been travelling to Texas, Kentucky and Ohio. But things like most people mention bible study, it's assumed you're going to church on Sunday, more religious aphorisms and sayings. Primarily, most of my interactions with clients are on a blue collar level, although an affluent blue collar level. Not sure if that changes the circle a number of HN readers might be in? I also might notice it more…
I mean -- you've been in three of the most religious states in the U.S., and you're interacting w blue collar workers. There is a fairly tremendous sampling bias. But I agree that very religious Americans do manage to work their religion into conversations in which you just wouldn't think it would come up.
>you've been in three of the most religious states in the U.S., and you're interacting w blue collar workers.
you're saying that like they went to Arrakis and interacted with the Fremen lol. Blue collar red state workers are what a lot of the US looks like. Two thirds of Americans do not have a university degree.