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Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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What the heck is going on with tinnitus? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%... I’ve been afflicted with tinnitus after a mild covid case in January and now that I’m looking it seems like this is a growing problem. So many comments here about tinnitus.

Had the same for some time after (first round of) mild covid.

Not the usual steady tone tinnitus either.. almost like a loose wire sending a very specific frequency in one ear.

Spontaneously resolved after 4 months or so, no recurrence with a second round of covid.

Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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Is there any actual “damage” known to be associated with tinnitus?

tinnitus is a known sideeffect of hearing loss, possibly due to changes in regulation of nerves making up for reduced signals. Another aspect is that often tinnitus and hearing loss are both effects of a "hörsturz"(there seems to be no easy to find translation in english, basically hörsturz is like a stroke inside the ear and results in severe tinnitus and/or hearing loss)

Interesting. I have mild tinnitus but my hearing is perfect (was tested)

Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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Hey there - speaking as somebody who was born profoundly deaf but has been hearing 30+ years later thanks to the use of a cochlear implant (CI) and auditory-verbal training, and almost always at the point that people off the street don't realize that I have it ... there's options out there, she doesn't have to live with that constraint. Would highly encourage you to look into the technology there at bare minimum. (Th…

Thank you so much! I am very interested in CI. Currently we're waiting for our appointments with the ENT but I hear so much good about it, I'm hoping we can move this forward as soon as possible. I will definitely be in touch.

I lost my hearing in one ear 9 years ago when I was 15 as the result of an illness. I could get a CI but choose not to. Honestly, being deaf in one ear has barely affected me. There are some situations (if it is a loud environment and the person is on my left) where I struggle to hear people and I cannot tell the direction sound is coming from but I do not find this has a major impact on my life.

Personally I am concerned that a CI would not improve my quality of life and may even make it worse. My understanding is that the hearing from a cochlear implant is not the same as "normal" hearing so I worry it may effect my current experience in a negative way.

Speak to the doctor but I would personally be a bit cautious about it, especially if your daughter is not at an age where she can properly communicate her experience of hearing with you.

Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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Disclosure: I own FREQ stock. The failure of the prior trial was suspected, and I believe it, due to a refractory response by overdosing the inner ear with too frequent administrations of the drug, and then testing for effect too soon. I bet even those candidates of the phase IIa trial though would, if checked on now, show some improvement. Animal research has shown that natural cochlear hair cell regeneration and re…

I have increasing;y bad tinnitus. Will this help with that? I hear a permanent and constant low-volume very high pitch "squeal" in my ears at all times, I was never a big loud music listener, and I have always brought ear-plugs to loud events - and have had no big ear-rupturing moments (such as a gun firing close to my head without protection etc...

This sounds crazy, but try hearing aids. That worked for me. Initially I used the white noise masking feature of them, but switched to using just amplification. I stop noticing my tinnitus a few minutes after I put them in, and it starts again a few minutes after I take them out.

In the spirit of "there's a forum for everything," you can get help programming them yourself here:

https://forum.hearingtracker.com/

Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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We recently learned that my daughter is completely deaf in one ear. She is a very happy healthy girl otherwise, but it makes me sad to know that currently we have no therapy and she could live her whole life like this. But maybe there will be something for her in a few years.

Hey, I completely lost my hearing in one ear about five years ago. I'm sorry to hear about your daughter. But I'd encourage you not to be too worried about it.

Personally, I only notice it in very loud situations in which someone is speaking to me on my deaf side; otherwise the sound bounces around and reaches my working ear anyway. I don't feel "disabled" in any way. In fact I rarely think about it. I've been given a hearing aid, but I don't bother with it, frankly I just don't need it. The body is quite amazing at adapting.

Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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I've seen news related to this FX-322 drug, but it's never clear to me if this works or not, or if it will be available to the public somehow. I lost my hi-freq in one ear due to inflammation if the cochlea (vestibular neuritis). Would love to know if this could help grow those hair cells back. That also gave me tinitus, but I don't really care about tinitus, I just want to get those frequencies back.

Also found there's FX-345: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV4js_9GUwc

Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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Disclosure: I own FREQ stock. The failure of the prior trial was suspected, and I believe it, due to a refractory response by overdosing the inner ear with too frequent administrations of the drug, and then testing for effect too soon. I bet even those candidates of the phase IIa trial though would, if checked on now, show some improvement. Animal research has shown that natural cochlear hair cell regeneration and re…

“Animal research has shown that natural cochlear hair cell regeneration and resultant hearing restoration is very real” - Although exciting, we also need to remember that translatability rates from animal models to humans is notoriously low, usually in the single digits for most therapeutic areas. This is some cool tech, but just wanted to point it out that success in animal models =/= we will eventually get to see t…

> Although exciting, we also need to remember that translatability rates from animal models to humans is notoriously low, usually in the single digits for most therapeutic areas.

This is true of humans as well -- there are plenty of programs that get interesting and clear results in Phase 2 (the dose ranging phase: essentially "what dosage is most efficacious") that die in Phase 3 (roughly: "OK, how does that dose really work on a statistically significant population that also represents the demographics of the country"). These studies are so expensive that nobody goes into Phase 3 unless they believe Phase 2 pretty certainly demonstrated that the drug works, and well.

It's also hard to figure out just how the animal's hearing is improving (you can't simply ask). I'm sure they have some experiments, but growing the hairs back may be necessary but not sufficient. Look at all those Alzheimers programs aimed at removing the plaque that haven't demonstrated any value in the clinic. The plaque might not even be alzheimers itself -- it could merely be the body's response to some different underlying effect of the disease.

The choice of animal is very important, and the FDA cares a lot. Mice are popular because they are cheap. I worked on a program years ago that used guinea pigs because mice couldn't get the disease. We didn't use rats as the compound caused cancer in rats, and someone else had had their program derailed because the FDA required a separate analysis and study to demonstrate that the cancer was specific to rats and not other species (rats get lots of cancers). For our program the FDA required some studies in (non-guinea) pigs before they were willing to allow any human trials.

Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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Disclosure: I own FREQ stock. The failure of the prior trial was suspected, and I believe it, due to a refractory response by overdosing the inner ear with too frequent administrations of the drug, and then testing for effect too soon. I bet even those candidates of the phase IIa trial though would, if checked on now, show some improvement. Animal research has shown that natural cochlear hair cell regeneration and re…

I have increasing;y bad tinnitus. Will this help with that? I hear a permanent and constant low-volume very high pitch "squeal" in my ears at all times, I was never a big loud music listener, and I have always brought ear-plugs to loud events - and have had no big ear-rupturing moments (such as a gun firing close to my head without protection etc...

I vaguely remember hearing something about tapping on the back of your head can greatly reduce tinnitus. I think there are plenty of instructional videos on youtube and it's worth a shot to try.

Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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There's a crazy amount of problems that are due to hearing loss. There's an increased risk of dementia. Even for balance from hearing audio cues when walking.

My mother has poor hearing and she refuses to get a hearing aid mainly due to cost. They are ~$4K per ear she doesn't have the money but to her an elderly person she imagines it as $40K/ear. I also fear dementia has already begun for her. For me I have tinnitus so this drug would also be welcome.

Another interesting drug is Vuity for nearsightedness. Between hearing and sight it will be amazing if such drugs work and were available before my mother or I or anyone dies of old age.

Re: Reversing hearing loss with regenerative therapy

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What the heck is going on with tinnitus? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%... I’ve been afflicted with tinnitus after a mild covid case in January and now that I’m looking it seems like this is a growing problem. So many comments here about tinnitus.

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