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Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by belter »

hbarka wrote: post #56
1024core wrote: post #30

I know of one person (my friend's mom) who literally got this procedure done: she needed a new kidney, and they waited till a death row convict came along who was a match. When she was matched, she got a phone call to come over to that particular city quickly, and she went there, and came back a few days later with a brand new pair of kidneys. It was almost like when you give your car in for repair, and when it's rea…

I don’t know anything about Rose Pak but your rumor post feels so vile like political propaganda. Your links have no substantiation whatsoever and you’re comfortable with that?

How do you travel to another country, and come back with new kidneys specially when you are already of old age and so not so high on a donation waiting list?

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by alephnan »

sonicggg wrote: post #74
alephnan wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime Not the Americans exploiting cheaper labor in China and making China rich ? > I would be shocked if it was Iceland or Norway doing that. I would be shocked if you weren’t wearing made in China / Vietnam shoes or clothing.

At the same time I'm not wearing any clothes made in North Korea or Venezuela, same as pretty much everyone. How exactly is it making a difference on the lives of those people living under those regimes? The nice thing about the Ukrainian war is that it's going to show how overrated economic boycott is in practice.

> At the same time I'm not wearing any clothes made in North Korea or Venezuela, same as pretty much everyone.

No. Some of us have principal and is willing to pay more as to not support China, especially if we are going to speak about how evil it is to support the regime.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

chrischen wrote: post #51
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime What makes you think they have any power at all? This is not what history teaches us about totalitarian regimes.

What makes you think the Chinese people don’t support their government? People will support their government if they can deliver the basic needs like economic growth and prosperity. At least on that front most people agree China has had some of that over the last 20 years. It’s safe to assume if that keeps up Chinese citizens can be pretty complacent. The needs and wants of a foreigner for the Chinese government will…

Nothing makes me believe they don't support the government. Just like nothing makes me believe they could enact any change if they wanted, which is what the parent implied.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by yeetsfromhellL2 »

hbarka wrote: post #56
1024core wrote: post #30

I know of one person (my friend's mom) who literally got this procedure done: she needed a new kidney, and they waited till a death row convict came along who was a match. When she was matched, she got a phone call to come over to that particular city quickly, and she went there, and came back a few days later with a brand new pair of kidneys. It was almost like when you give your car in for repair, and when it's rea…

I don’t know anything about Rose Pak but your rumor post feels so vile like political propaganda. Your links have no substantiation whatsoever and you’re comfortable with that?

What's more telling to me is that I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be true.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by beeboop »

belter wrote: post #81
hbarka wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know anything about Rose Pak but your rumor post feels so vile like political propaganda. Your links have no substantiation whatsoever and you’re comfortable with that?

How do you travel to another country, and come back with new kidneys specially when you are already of old age and so not so high on a donation waiting list?

Is there something about being old that prevents you from traveling on planes or receiving organ transplants?

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by ourmandave »

elil17 wrote: post #61

I think execution is absolutely wrong and never morally justifiable. However I don’t see why execution + organ harvesting is worse than execution alone.

It violates individual autonomy.

It creates a motivation to find the innocent guilty.

Never underestimate how absolutely low someone will go to make a buck.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by nomay »

elil17 wrote: post #61

I think execution is absolutely wrong and never morally justifiable. However I don’t see why execution + organ harvesting is worse than execution alone.

The Chinese jail system is as corrupt as you can think, since many connected people would like to take advantage of their connections and noboby wants to deny them.

An inmate's death sentence can be commuted to as less as 12 years after this process. https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AD%99%E5%B0%8F%E6%9E%9C

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

1024core wrote: post #30

I know of one person (my friend's mom) who literally got this procedure done: she needed a new kidney, and they waited till a death row convict came along who was a match. When she was matched, she got a phone call to come over to that particular city quickly, and she went there, and came back a few days later with a brand new pair of kidneys. It was almost like when you give your car in for repair, and when it's rea…

> this guy was going to die anyways, why not save someone's life in the process?

because, like private "for profit" prisons, it incentivises bad things.

Sci-fi short story on this topic, 1967: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jigsaw_Man

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