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Re: Back to India

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Post by saidinesh5 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #52
FlyingSnake wrote: post #27

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I regularly hire people from India at my current role, and the process is so much straightforward. There is a huge talent pool in India that is disillusioned with the US visa regime and Germany is benefiting greatly from this.

Isn't lax immigration basically wage suppression on the local German workforce and a handout to the asset/business owning class? If you can basically hire anyone in the world instead of locals, then what leverage does the local workforce have to demand higher wages? Feels like a power imbalance that greatly benefits the employers, banks, real estate owners, retail businesses and the boreoarctic government apparatus,…

It can be easier and cheaper to hire locally, compared to sponsoring a work visa to a foreigner. For highly skilled specialists, the minimum wage for a German work Visa is 56,800 EUR (EU Blue Card) and 44,304 EUR for shortage jobs. (1). So at an individual level, wage suppression might not always happen. (Back when I was offered jobs there, my colleagues there were earning less).

That being said, at scale, the increased talent pool might indeed suppress the wages - especially in short term, but you never know about long term. Immigrants might start / help their own company provide jobs to more of the local talent. Not to mention other issues like falling birth rates vs. the economy, increased tax base, companies unable to afford local workforce temporarily (think early stage startups) etc..

Personally, I see skilled immigration as a net positive to the receiving country - only because I see the downsides of brain drain on the country those highly educated people are immigrating from.

1. https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/germany/visa/employment-vis...

Re: Back to India

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Post by nindalf »

nomemory wrote: post #78
nindalf wrote: post #70

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It would benefit the non Indians, certainly. And it’d also get me flagged. But what the hell, I’ll say it. OP is an upper caste male. You won’t see many “India is doing great! I’m heading back there!” posts from Indian women or Indian Muslims or Indian Dalits. That’s what I meant. I’m similar to the OP in that I’m an upper caste male as well. The difference between me and him is that I can understand and empathise wi…

Why do you think he is not capable of showing empathy to the people different than him.

A person speaking about the opportunities in India solely based on VC funding while speaking about none of the downsides to people different than him gives me that impression. And the downsides for people different from him and me are numerous, if you open your eyes to it.

OP could be a remarkably empathic and kind person for all I know. But this post doesn’t show it.

Re: Back to India

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Post by DeathArrow »

I think the author took some good decisions. First going in a different country, learning and getting to know a different culture. Second, going back to his own country and participate in a rising industry, thus laying another brick at the well being of his country.

It's exactly what I would have done if I were in his shoes. Now it's kind of late for me to go work and study in another country. Many of my fellow countrymen do suffer of self hate and at the first chance they go to study or work abroad with the intent of leaving their homeland, even if the economic situation is not bad here. I feel sorry for them.

Re: Back to India

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Post by kortilla »

hinoki wrote: post #79
srvmshr wrote: post #65

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Except 4 & 5, the first few cannot be said "subjectively better". This is your personal opinion, not the "statistically true" opinion. >Climate Definitely hotter in most (80%) of India, from late February to mid-October. US states enjoys more cloudless sunny weather per annum. >Biodiversity: India is 7th largest country with lots of great places to visit. Mountains, deserts, beaches, jungles, plains [...] US is almos…

I’ll have to nitpick your last point. Unless you’re going to a farmer’s market, the quality of fruit and vegetables in America is abysmal. Watery hard fruit, etc. You can get the same terrible strawberries all year round if you want though. I’ve never been to India, but I assume the situation is better, at least based on how people rave about mangoes.

So go to a farmers market or a coop. That’s a non-issue for people who care about fruit ripeness at pick time.

Re: Back to India

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Post by tempo3040 »

nindalf wrote: post #70
rognjen wrote: post #66

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It'd benefit the discussion in a forum filled with non-Indians if you explained what he meant. But I assume it's a caste-thing...

It would benefit the non Indians, certainly. And it’d also get me flagged. But what the hell, I’ll say it. OP is an upper caste male. You won’t see many “India is doing great! I’m heading back there!” posts from Indian women or Indian Muslims or Indian Dalits. That’s what I meant. I’m similar to the OP in that I’m an upper caste male as well. The difference between me and him is that I can understand and empathise wi…

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Re: Back to India

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Post by Dharmakirti »

nindalf wrote: post #77
fellellor wrote: post #75

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You should go visit other countries and talk to more people. He’s a Jain. Jain is not a caste. Not all Jains are filthy rich. In fact, his being Jain has nothing to do with his finances. Having worked in Tesla is more indicative.

This comment is obtuse. Sure, technically Jain is not a caste, but all Jains and Parsees are considered equivalent to Hindu upper castes. No one will decline to drink water offered to them by a Jain. That is something that still happens to Dalits in India today, in urban areas as well.

the deracination in this comment is astounding. I grew up in rural India all my life and this cartoonish casteism is no longer part of the mainstream Indian society. There will be isolated cases, but I’ve seen times and again people freely drinking water from a _pyau_ irrespective of the caste of the person.

I implore you to take a rational look at Indian society and not rely on WaPo/NYT to know your own land.

Re: Back to India

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Post by nindalf »

tempo3040 wrote: post #86
nindalf wrote: post #70

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It would benefit the non Indians, certainly. And it’d also get me flagged. But what the hell, I’ll say it. OP is an upper caste male. You won’t see many “India is doing great! I’m heading back there!” posts from Indian women or Indian Muslims or Indian Dalits. That’s what I meant. I’m similar to the OP in that I’m an upper caste male as well. The difference between me and him is that I can understand and empathise wi…

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Hahaha, new account created 11 minutes ago. Tell me why I should even dignify your blatant whataboutism with a response.

Meanwhile me, 8 year old account with 11k karma. I have the courage to say what I want tied to this identity while you don’t.

Re: Back to India

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Post by dontlaugh »

rob74 wrote: post #63
dontlaugh wrote: post #26

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Immigrants come from poor countries, expats from rich ones.

Not from the meaning of the words however - "expat" describes your relationship to your former country, and "immigrant" describes your relationship to the country you are currently living in. So if you live in another country than you were born in, you're actually always both at the same time - i.e. an American expat living in Germany is an immigrant to Germany.

And yet Americans in Germany are called expats, but Eastern Europeans or Africans or Middle Easterners in Germany are called immigrants.

Re: Back to India

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Post by Dharmakirti »

rushikesh98 wrote: post #68
nindalf wrote: post #57

A friend of mine sent me a link to this article and said > Yugal Raj Jain. He’ll be fine in India. Indians will understand what my friend meant by that.

Indian here. I don't understand what your friend meant. Can you please elaborate?

Thus is a dog whistle for casteism. This is a standard modus operendi of a certain section of opinionated people to drag caste into any discussion about India. Caste is a complex topic but this discussion has nothing to do with it.
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