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Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN

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Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN

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Post by brimble »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #79
brimble wrote: post #71

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Public Radio wouldn't bother me so much if they didn't also constantly run ads.

They have to sometimes because the donations (sadly) aren't always enough

It's more than "sometimes", these days. They've long moved on from a quick "this program made possible by..." to straight up reading ads on air, frequently. Between that and all the time they spend promoting their own programs, plus the pledge drives, I doubt their content/non-content time is any better than most commercial radio. Maybe worse.

Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN

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Post by ydlr »

strbean wrote: post #68
ydlr wrote: post #46

I think Mozilla's structure of having a for-profit owned by a nonprofit has a lot of potential. The problem is that the products they are trying to make money from are also the primary vehicles for accomplishing their nonprofit mission. A better example is Newman's Own. Their mission is not to make the world's best tomato sauce. That is just how it makes money. Mozilla needs to find its tomato sauce. Then Firefox and…

I love the sly assertion that Newman's Own Tomato Sauce is the best in the world :) Now they just need to make Newman O's better. Aside from the mint ones, those are great.

Lol. Not intended at all. I just meant that the quality of the product doesn't impact their nonprofit work. It just needs to make a profit.

Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN

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Post by pawelmurias »

hutzlibu wrote: post #57
mch82 wrote: post #56

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Of course. Mozilla is competing for the same talent as Google, Microsoft, and Apple. Browsers are the most important software at those companies because most other software runs on them. The Hacker News community doesn’t seem to appreciate the work Mozilla has done to establish web standards. I’ve experienced what it’s like to be stuck with IE6 and IE11 for a decade, holding back web projects at work. Firefox broke t…

"Mozilla is competing for the same talent as Google, Microsoft, and Apple." Not exactly the same. Many are willing to accept less pay, to work on meaningful open source and not for advertisement.

To work on an open source browser instead of apps yes, but how many people would take a significant pay cut to work on Firefox instead of Chrome?

Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN

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Post by tored »

mch82 wrote: post #56
themihai wrote: post #37

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Is a browser so expensive to maintain? $400m/year?

Of course. Mozilla is competing for the same talent as Google, Microsoft, and Apple. Browsers are the most important software at those companies because most other software runs on them. The Hacker News community doesn’t seem to appreciate the work Mozilla has done to establish web standards. I’ve experienced what it’s like to be stuck with IE6 and IE11 for a decade, holding back web projects at work. Firefox broke t…

The web was actually better in the days of IE6 than today.

Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN

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Post by xcambar »

tored wrote: post #84
mch82 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. Mozilla is competing for the same talent as Google, Microsoft, and Apple. Browsers are the most important software at those companies because most other software runs on them. The Hacker News community doesn’t seem to appreciate the work Mozilla has done to establish web standards. I’ve experienced what it’s like to be stuck with IE6 and IE11 for a decade, holding back web projects at work. Firefox broke t…

The web was actually better in the days of IE6 than today.

You're talking about the contents, GP is talking about the devices/engines.

They can't compare.

Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN

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Post by dorfsmay »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #60
_m4ua wrote: post #16

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There isn't even a way to donate. All "mozilla" donations go to the foundation and their social justice causes, not useful things like MSN and Firefox.

You can contribute directly to Thunderbird, I often wonder if it's poor performance is one of the reasons similar things aren't tried with Firefox. https://give.thunderbird.net/en-US/

Same I contribute too, and seriously wish the same was setup for Firefox.

I suspect the Thunderbird fund is not doing well because people assuming giving to Mozilla funds mainly technical work and most people don't know about Mozilla issues nor about the smaller direct funds like Thunderbird's.

Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN

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Post by marcosdumay »

archerx wrote: post #39
cies wrote: post #26

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You do you. I find MDN so much better that I hope they soon push w3schools off their first-hit-throne. > Either you are completely out of touch or you're going to need to show some of the "low quality" examples from w3schools. Do you really need me for that? Here are "div" and "table" on both. https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_div.asp https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_table.asp https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/d…

I still prefer the w3schools version, I feel like it is better because it is concise and get straight to the point without a ton of blah blah, if I want an encyclopedic type of reference (which is rare) I go to mdn, but most of the times I just need quick reference that gets to the point immediately. Also I forget the internet has ads, don't you have ublock origin installed? Yes, they were totally reasonable sentence…

If you don't want an encyclopedic reference, you can read the first section on MDN and move on. It's about as long and to the point as the w3schools article, and has all the rest of the content if you want to dig further.

I don't think it should be blocked, but its content is almost always low quality, so it doesn't deserve the search rating it has. Its prominence is a strong symptom that search engines do not work very well.

Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN

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Post by [deleted] »

dorfsmay wrote: post #87
boomboomsubban wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can contribute directly to Thunderbird, I often wonder if it's poor performance is one of the reasons similar things aren't tried with Firefox. https://give.thunderbird.net/en-US/

Same I contribute too, and seriously wish the same was setup for Firefox. I suspect the Thunderbird fund is not doing well because people assuming giving to Mozilla funds mainly technical work and most people don't know about Mozilla issues nor about the smaller direct funds like Thunderbird's.

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