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Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by eldaisfish »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #67
alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

That's an interesting whataboutist take. I would mostly agree, but: - fleeing your home country because its inhabitants (including yourself) have let it go to shits and you have a choice between keeping on tolerating what has been always there or just NOW deciding to flee vs. - fleeing your home country which for the last few years has started going to the right direction, has hope of becoming part of a much more wel…

Russians in Russia don't have a choice, please stop implying that Russian elections are either fair or of any consequence. People on the internet love to throw around the idea that citizens of oppressive regimes have a say in the direction or actions of that regime.

Neither Russian nor Chinese nor North Korean nor Iranian citizens have any say in what their respective governments do.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by csmpltn »

spaniard89277 wrote: post #59
csmpltn wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "People go up and above for Ukraine because they're that neighbour" Where do you draw the line on "neighbor"? Why Ukraine but not Syria?

I feel like ucranians are fellow europeans. I guess it's the same for Norweigians. If you look for a well-defined and rational response, I don't think there's one. Anyway, I'd like to say that people is being too cynical about this. There has been, and there are right now, many efforts in Europe for supporting and integrating non-european refugees and inmigrants. This "oh look, they care because they're white", well,…

> "I feel like ucranians are fellow europeans."

> "If you look for a well-defined and rational response, I don't think there's one."

The lack of a well-defined and rational response, beyond vague feelings, is what causes this discussion to eventually reduce down to claims of pure racism.

We're denying that there's racism and xenophobia involved, whilst simultaneously being unable to explain why we're seeing those differences.

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm merely observing. I hope you too can see why this ambiguity is problematic.

> "There has been hundreds of thousands of non-european people inmigrating to Europe for years, but somehow we're hypocrites now."

And there are many millions more that - given the same support and openness given to the Ukrainian people now - would leave the war-torn, collapsed countries they were born in and look for refuge in better societies in Europe. But those people aren't getting the same level of support. Why do we treat those groups differently then?

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by hkpack »

alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

You might be thinking that it's a Putin's war, but I can assure you, Russian people are wholeheartedly support the war. Even people who live abroad.

> It scares me how people lose their minds to xenophobia, war, and hate

Because while some russians are experiencing "hate and xenophobia", civilian people is Ukraine are being brutally killed in thousands using unguided bombs, artillery strikes or MLRSs. For you, dead or injured children are just a picture you can choose not to look at, but for a huge number of Ukrainians, it is the reality.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by gunfighthacksaw »

SalimoS wrote: post #30
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

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It’s not racism, it’s familiarity and pragmatism.

The West has gone above and beyond for Syria, at least my country has.

That said, the refugees streaming out of Ukraine are citizens of a western-ish democracy, are NOT young men of fighting age and could adapt to cultural/religious/civic life very quickly in Slavic countries and quite easily elsewhere in Europe.

Compare that to all the services you need to integrate someone who doesn’t speak an Indo-European language at all, has a religion counter to the dominant culture, is from an autocracy, and is a bored 18-45 year old guy who is not aware of how to find/exploit opportunities available in your country, and who has worked under a completely foreign system of regulations and education, if they have an education at all.

From first and second hand experience with Syrian and African refugees, many have no education because war/instability took the chance from them. Many cannot do the job they had before because either it doesn’t exist or they need licensing. Finally, some got by on nepotism before and are unsuited to the western corporate environment.

These people are no more or less human than Ukrainians, but cost a lot more to put somewhere they can flourish, or even just survive.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by cute_boi »

csmpltn wrote: post #50
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

> "People go up and above for Ukraine because they're that neighbour" Where do you draw the line on "neighbor"? Why Ukraine but not Syria?

I call this term "minor privilege". West is affluent, and they are likely to donate if some is victim from their group. Syria is not in west, so they aren't born with that privilege and many west aren't emphatic to them due to various reasons like media coverage, leaders etc.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by tuukkah »

retrojorgen wrote: post #2

Hi! We just launched a job board for Ukrainian tech workers that might be looking for jobs in Norway. The Norwegian government recently passed laws giving special rights to Ukrainian refugees. kode24.no is Norways only news site for developers, and we already run a job board. We surveyed everyone on the board if they will accept applications from Ukrainian workers. So far there are 9 jobs available, hopefully more wi…

Would it be legal to not accept job applications from Ukrainian refugees? That is, if they have the right to work in Norway, how's the discrimination acceptable?

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by cute_boi »

keewee7 wrote: post #61

A lot of comments here about racism against Muslim refugees and the lack of racism against Ukrainian refugees. We are only three weeks into this war and refugee crisis. The far-right here in Western Europe have not yet had time to come up with reasons to hate Ukrainian refugees. The far-right is actually busy defending Putin's invasion and spreading pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian propaganda. It is only a question of…

Can you justify your last statement as it looks spurious to me?

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by rich_sasha »

keewee7 wrote: post #61

A lot of comments here about racism against Muslim refugees and the lack of racism against Ukrainian refugees. We are only three weeks into this war and refugee crisis. The far-right here in Western Europe have not yet had time to come up with reasons to hate Ukrainian refugees. The far-right is actually busy defending Putin's invasion and spreading pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian propaganda. It is only a question of…

That's not entirely true. Polish Far Right has been fired up against the Ukrainians for some time (I mean, it's always just a matter of time and foreignness), just aren't getting any traction.

The key sticking point, and at peacetime possibly quite serious, is the Volhynia massacre [1]. I won't go into details, and context is very important as it wasn't unprovoked, but it was a terrible massacre of Poles by Ukrainians in 1940s, and its key perpetrators are revered as national heroes in Ukraine.

And yet, any attempts to bring this up in recent debate are immediately shot down by the wider public. It's just not catching on. It's not even a new subject, I think most people in Poland who watch the news know at least the headline facts about it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by rich_sasha »

eldaisfish wrote: post #81
jnsaff2 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting whataboutist take. I would mostly agree, but: - fleeing your home country because its inhabitants (including yourself) have let it go to shits and you have a choice between keeping on tolerating what has been always there or just NOW deciding to flee vs. - fleeing your home country which for the last few years has started going to the right direction, has hope of becoming part of a much more wel…

Russians in Russia don't have a choice, please stop implying that Russian elections are either fair or of any consequence. People on the internet love to throw around the idea that citizens of oppressive regimes have a say in the direction or actions of that regime. Neither Russian nor Chinese nor North Korean nor Iranian citizens have any say in what their respective governments do.

They don't, but Putin and his wars tend to be very popular in Russia.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by tuukkah »

older wrote: post #75
throwaway290 wrote: post #68

Is there a similar board open to Russian refugees? Asking seriously, for myself and some friends. I wouldn't mind if priority is given to war refugees from Ukraine, of course. Edit: refugee (n.) - a person who has been forced to leave their country to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

The word refugee has legal meaning. You cannot be called refugee unless your country is deemed unsafe and you risk your life being in that country. Thus Russians are not refugees but economic migrants.

However, you can get a political asylum if you have a history of opposing Putin and you are not safe in Russia because of that anymore.
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