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Re: 25% of Yale goes to Consulting, Finance

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I might point out, after reading many of the comments here, that people who are currently or have done management consulting in the past all say essentially the same thing about the experience -- it was great for them, they saw lots of stuff, traveled a bit, made some money. But none of them say they actually helped a single employee of a single organization actually accomplish anything in particular for all the fees…

Strategy consultants are extremely highly paid, extremely specialized temp workers. We only create as much value as the client asks us to get. It's a time-money play. We do the work that creating or scaling a corporate strategy group would do if you had the 6-12 months to go out, hire a team, train them together, create the necessary links to the organization, and go do the work. With consultants, you can hire and fi…

We do the work that creating or scaling a corporate strategy group would do if you had the 6-12 months to go out, [a] hire a team, [b] train them together, [c] create the necessary links to the organization, and [d] go do the work. note: [a]-[d] inserted for reference

And here it is, I would argue that consultants offer (to each reference point):

a faster time to [a], you hire them as a group instead of sourcing each worker separately

no [b], after all, they are ~20 year old "experts" led by an experience consultant manager or firm partner who's sole job is to stash the squadron of kids at the other company and check up on them every so often, then give a grand presentation at the end of the contract term. Why would they need to understand the particulars of how a company works or how to move them to a path to success? After all, probably nobody on the team has actually run a successful company. And businesses all fit into nice b-school categories anyways.

no [c], it's like a group of shock troops falls out of the sky on an organization and commences to create chaos. I've never seen something so disruptive to a company as a consulting team inserting themselves into the day-to-day of an organization. They don't know anybody, they don't want to know anybody, and it doesn't help them to know anybody beyond charting out the organization and work structure of the company.

a debatable [d]. Oh, okay, I'm being harsh about [d]. All of my friends who work in mgmt consulting work their gosh darn asses off, generating thousands of powerpoint slides and binders full of diagrams.

Does it amount to much? I dunno. There's some value from a Knowledge Management perspective for an organically grown organizations to understand how information and communications occur in their company. Mapping out de facto business processes I guess is helpful.

Does it require a team of consultants to come in and do this? Nah, most companies could do this with one or two dedicated hires for far cheaper and far less disruption.

In my personal, admittedly anecdotal experience, these things could be useful if they were done properly. But I've never actually seen a consultant team actually interview the line workers who would actually know this stuff.

It's like it's beneath them, and too time consuming to figure out that the blue form #4 doesn't go from department x on floor 5 to department c on floor 6, but actually goes from John in department x to Lisa in admin, who then brings it to her boss Karl who then collects them in a stack to give out at the weekly management meeting to Jessi who works on floor 6, but not in department c, but who is married to John (no relation to the previous John), and gives it to him at night over dinner in department c, who works for the ultimate recipient of the form, John's brother Jake who is supposed to manage the department and initiate processing the forms, but has a drinking problem and only shows up to work in the middle of the week to do so.

Why this convoluted process? Why not just have blue form #4 go from x->c like the manager in x believes happens (but doesn't because she doesn't follow the de facto processes enough to know this)? Who knows? The consultants don't know that's for sure because they never investigate this Rube Goldberg machine.

And when analyzing why it's so slow and convoluted, they analyze it to death and might just decide that department c is the slow boat in the fleet and its more cost effective to eliminate that department by merging them with x and eliminating redundancies when really they just need to replace Jake and make the form electronic so the form is emailed between floors.

You think I'm making the previous example up, but I'm not. And what actually happened is that when they merged the department they fired John (#2) which sparked Jessi to desire to leave the company, and she brought along half of her department which didn't need to have that happen. Within a year 12 other key people left out of bad blood with the company sparked by this initial round of redundant layoffs. And oh yeah, Jessi, who left with her team, started her own company with her husband John and that staff, who ultimately ended up contracting back at their old company, to do their old jobs, at 3x the hourly charge rate.

And Jake still works there, whenever he feels like coming in. But to make up for his personal failures, the company has had to hire a fleet of subordinates.

End result? 3 failed multi-million dollar projects, not late, failed. Rehiring the same employees at 3x the charge rate as contractors, and to support Jake they had to increase head count to the point that it's virtually unchanged from before the entire merger of department x and c.

And oh yeah, the company is out a $2 million dollar consulting fee.

Re: 25% of Yale goes to Consulting, Finance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so rarely the case. At my firm the percentage of people in consulting who wanted to be artists, public servants, writers, or filmmakers is less than 10%. The way you've described it makes it sound like all these Yalie beatniks are selling out for the prospect of a stable paycheck. Many of my colleagues weren't lifelong consultants, but they were lifelong businesspeople. The ones who left went on to start tech…

Well, whatever their passions were, writing powerpoint decks in order to justify internal power moves at another company, because someone wanted something done so they hired you to provide post hoc rationalization for it.. I mean, really? This is what we're doing with "the best and the brightest"? Expert MS Office users?

This is what we're doing with "the best and the brightest"? Expert MS Office users?

Maybe it's time to stop thinking of top-tier schools as producing the best and brightest.

After all, Google was started by a couple of state school undergrads.

Re: 25% of Yale goes to Consulting, Finance

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FB and Amazon turned out just fine without your help, the only reason you wish you had worked there was in order to extract and benefit from the great pool of wealth and prestige. Your value to society is nil for as long as you spend more mental energy consuming more than you create. Remember that all highly educated people bear a responsibility much greater than ourselves, and this responsibility is fulfilled only b…

> this responsibility is fulfilled only by sacrifice and discomfort. The highly educated do not owe society anything. No one should have a right to my intelligence. If I want to contribute, I can and will, and if I'm smart enough and execute well enough, I will be rewarded, both monetarily and through watching my creation create real value. This does not mean that sacrifice and discomfort are the only ways to create…

Sacrifice and discomfort is not a MEANS to anything, it does however imply delayed gratification that is mostly unpleasant and sends many fleeing to the nearest consulting firm. This would make sense if you actually read the article, which describes many disillusioned ivy's unwilling to sacrifice a comfortable lifestyle for what could otherwise be more personally enriching and meaningful work.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here—nobody wants the rights to your intelligence. But if you take a step back, you can see that every one of us has benefitted greatly from others' intelligent contributions to humanity and we can choose to either keep that wheel spinning or put ourselves at the mercy of others' history-making. If you want to use your tech idols as a yardstick for morality and virtue, you ought to look a little closer.

"I mean, we’re constantly taking things. It’s a wonderful, ecstatic feeling to create something that puts it back in the pool of human experience and knowledge.” -STEVE JOBS

Some of my favorite quotes, however, are from the mouth of Napoleon:

"All my life I have sacrificed everything—comfort, self-interest, happiness—to my destiny."

"Men are moved by two levers only: fear and self interest."

Re: 25% of Yale goes to Consulting, Finance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB and Amazon turned out just fine without your help, the only reason you wish you had worked there was in order to extract and benefit from the great pool of wealth and prestige. Your value to society is nil for as long as you spend more mental energy consuming more than you create. Remember that all highly educated people bear a responsibility much greater than ourselves, and this responsibility is fulfilled only b…

> this responsibility is fulfilled only by sacrifice and discomfort. The highly educated do not owe society anything. No one should have a right to my intelligence. If I want to contribute, I can and will, and if I'm smart enough and execute well enough, I will be rewarded, both monetarily and through watching my creation create real value. This does not mean that sacrifice and discomfort are the only ways to create…

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