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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by paganel »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #56
DrinkWater wrote: post #5

I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

I think the answers to your question revolve around Russia ending up being an economically linked vassal state of China, China/India/Russia becoming an economic block, and a desire to not use the US dollar as a reserve currency. Personally, I think Putin is screwing over his own people almost as badly as people in Ukraine - in the long run. Ukraine will get a lot of love from the west, when the fighting is over.

A pivot to Asia is what Russia actually needs (and needed, even before the war), Europe is a stagnating continent with a stagnating economy. I venture to say that in the long run this will benefit Russia (if they manage to remain in one piece, that is), because the growth can only come from there, i.e. from Asia.

You're mentioning China/India/Russia like they might be some minions, but taken together they have a population of about 3 billion people (out of ~8 billion the Earth now has) and a giant land surface (thanks to Russia, mostly).

Probably the Western US and Canada will also get dragged into this, economically speaking, for its own benefit.

What was the correct decision for Obama and its foreign policy advisers (they were the first ones to brand the "pivot to Asia" thing) in the early 2010s is also the right decision to take for today's Russia.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by tablespoon »

birdyrooster wrote: post #50
throwaway894345 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s infuriating that the west allows itself to remain dependent on a dictatorship.

We stopped letting them manufacture anything of strategic military or government significance. We are mostly dependent on them for basic household goods and consumer electronics. Those things could be cut back significantly without destroying our own economy. Keep in mind that China can't feed itself without the world. That is a much more dangerous dependence.

> We stopped letting them manufacture anything of strategic military or government significance. We are mostly dependent on them for basic household goods and consumer electronics. Those things could be cut back significantly without destroying our own economy.

That dependence still creates a significant political risk, which the West is in a poorer position to manage.

> Keep in mind that China can't feed itself without the world. That is a much more dangerous dependence.

That would be a serious vulnerability, except the world probably isn't united enough for it to matter. For instance, my understanding is Russia is a major food exporter. Add in a conquered Ukraine and maybe a couple other countries and you might fill that gap.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

Milner08 wrote: post #4
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #3

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Should Mr Biden also be fact checking all of his propaganda ads, too?

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I don’t know, didn’t he say that all Americans have been tested for COVID-19 on a national TV advertisement?

I’m absolutely certain that that claim wasn’t fact checked.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by thepasswordis »

whimsicalism wrote: post #77
thepasswordis wrote: post #61

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https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 Edit: "The US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine" - I feel like this is a pretty useless nit to pick. (Sorry for the twitter source. It's a video of Marco Rubio, a US senator, talking to Victoria Nuland) The US is basically warning that Russia plans to release stuff from these labs and blame the Ukrainians for it. Kindof the same thing they were supposedly doi…

biolabs != bioweapons and that source does not say they are US owned or operated.

She says that she's concerned that Russia soldiers will take control of the materials in these labs and release it into Ukraine as a false flag, and that the US is working with them to secure these places.

It seems like we're getting into some really weird definitions of weapons if that doesn't count as a "weapon".

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Post by thereddaikon »

pavlov wrote: post #49
thereddaikon wrote: post #30

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All of those things but also, supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine is internally consistent with their views on Taiwan. They cannot denounce Russian aggression on Ukraine but still openly claim Taiwan.

It's actually the opposite: supporting Russia's invasion is in direct conflict with China's long-standing official line that sovereignty must be the primary principle in international relations. From China's point of view, Taiwan is purely a question of Chinese sovereignty. They've never recognized the Taipei government and they try to sanction countries that do recognize Taiwan. The idea is that this "recognition li…

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by yks »

thepasswordis wrote: post #61
hkmaxpro wrote: post #42

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I don’t know about the ads, but here are their state media reports: They peddle Russia’s claim that US has bioweapons in Ukraine: https://www.newsweek.com/china-peddles-russias-claim-that-us... And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and officials: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254330.shtml Edit: As pointed out by a commenter, the above article is from GlobalTimes, not…

https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 Edit: "The US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine" - I feel like this is a pretty useless nit to pick. (Sorry for the twitter source. It's a video of Marco Rubio, a US senator, talking to Victoria Nuland) The US is basically warning that Russia plans to release stuff from these labs and blame the Ukrainians for it. Kindof the same thing they were supposedly doi…

There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation.

Edit: parent changed the text of their post from "US does have biolabs in Ukraine" to "US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine"

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by somenameforme »

hkmaxpro wrote: post #42
waffleiron wrote: post #13

> Many of the ads, which are mostly clips of CGTN newscasts, sprinkle in pro-Russia, anti-NATO talking points and downplay Russia's actions in launching an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor. So what exactly did they say?

I don’t know about the ads, but here are their state media reports: They peddle Russia’s claim that US has bioweapons in Ukraine: https://www.newsweek.com/china-peddles-russias-claim-that-us... And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and officials: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254330.shtml Edit: As pointed out by a commenter, the above article is from GlobalTimes, not…

The existence of biolabs is completely genuine. You can read more (from a .gov site) here [1]. They seem to have removed the fact-sheets from the site, but you can still access them on archive.org, like here [2]. The fact sheets don't have anything especially seedy on them but do confirm that the labs were funded by the US Department of Defense, and do work with pathogens.

Point being you don't need the quotes. There are definitely DoD built biolabs, and a surprisingly large amount of them.

[1] - https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defen...

[2] - https://web.archive.org/web/20170211022339/https://photos.st...

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