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If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is not to convince them. The point is to: * create noise in the telephone logbook to annoy the FSB. * create distrust toward the FSB. This would be the result of people getting arrested for receiving phone calls from the US.

Are you okay with getting individuals possibly arrested in the name of a purported common good? You are no better than the FSB itself then.

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#82
But I don't really see the message the caller is supposed to relay once they dial in.

You are supposed to relay stories about bombed hospitals and shelled houses that you've either picked up from the media a day ago, or just from the web site's caption text. Are you ready to answer the question "what were you doing in the last 8 years"? Are you ready to even understand it? What about Alley of Angels, are you ready to talk about it?

I would expect there would be some "weaponized" facts at a minimum, or you may be losing in that artillery duel quite fast. Because Russian TV and state media does supply a lot of weaponized facts of its own.

Consider telling your counterparty that Russia prevents civilians from getting out from besieged cities, and they respond "I've just saw on the TV that Ukrainian far-right batallions are not letting their civilians out to use them as human shield". How are you going to reason from that point? I'm honestly interested because I don't know whose truth is there.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#83

Why aren't russians telling eachother? At least a fraction of russians read and trust trustworthy (international) news sources, but if their peers won't believe them, why would they believe me if I called them? Russia isn't North Korea. Yes there has been a tightening lately and all easily accessible media has been propaganda for a long time. But that doesn't mean any Russian can't - with some effort - consume a wide…

- Hey stop this train! - I can't its very heavy it will kill me if I try - Ohh, then you are on the train side!

That's how I see request to Russians to stop Putin.

Also hey Russians, we rob all you money in online services and stop those services to work for you. Stop this train!

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#84
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All phone calls and text messages in Russia must be recorded and stored for at least 6 months according to the law. Also, about 1 month worth of Internet traffic is also recorded.

Interesting, they are at least honest about it... I've always wondered how good nation states are at converting the speech to text. In my experience working with stuff like Twilio it can be a challenge to do it at scale when trying to identify individual speakers then generating a screenplay like output.

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only someone was there, able to take pictures and report on it! You know, like all the news organizations across the world. Or refugees were streaming out of the area with horror stories. And satellite pictures and spy planes showed Russian troop movements. And the tyrant of Russia even said he was sending troops into another sovereign country, while contextualizing it under an obviously false narrative (that woul…

Should we also tell them about all of the WMDs we found in Iraq that those same news organizations told us existed for sure? How many other false narratives do those "trusted" organizations need to tell before you stop trusting them?

Maybe US media was different (I wasn't in the US in 2003, and too young to read foreign media at the time), but here in Europe the media was pretty clear that it was a case of "The UN inspectors didn't find any WMDs but the USA insist they're there". There was a significant protest movement here to ban the US air force from our airports because they were using them as stopping points on the way to Iraq.

I don't think the rest of the West took the US invasion of Iraq as uncritically as you think they did

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#86

No one thought about or cared about Ukraine a month ago. Now it's everyone's greatest cause of their lives. Meanwhile, I'm certain there are many atrocities the ruling class isn't forcing your focus on that you don't care about at all. All of this feigned outrage is so fake.

Well yes, few cared - also, there wasn’t large scale bombing and 2 million refugees a month ago.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#87

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

PS. For anyone not getting the 'I have pen' quote, it's a reference to this internet classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o8XMlL8rqY :)

"Trust me I'm a fact-checker" is the US equivalent.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#88
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is not to convince them. The point is to: * create noise in the telephone logbook to annoy the FSB. * create distrust toward the FSB. This would be the result of people getting arrested for receiving phone calls from the US.

Are you okay with getting individuals possibly arrested in the name of a purported common good? You are no better than the FSB itself then.

Yes, we’re at war. The rules have changed.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#90
post #61

And how do I know what is happening there? I'm partial toward the people who got invaded but I cannot even verify the stories and sources to a reliable degree. Simply because I lack the resources. Having a clear bias (support for one side) makes it cognitively even worse. So I have two choices: 1. Risking telling "noble" lies because in the grand scheme of things Russia (bad actor) has invaded Ukraine (good actor) so…

> And how do I know what is happening there?

The amount of footage is overwhelming. Just watch as much as you can from both sides and try to draw your own conclusions. The Russian side has a stale message, it blocks real footage and only works by abundant repetition. They downplay the whole situation to their own peoples claiming the other side is using actors and staging footage. Here is where you can use your own judgement.

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