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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by keymone »

mopsi wrote: post #64
iso1210 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN has some of the most pro-putin comments I see anywhere. These are established accounts with years of history talking about tech, so not Russian bots or whatever.

Not everyone is a paid shill. Lots of tech people are Russians and/or from Russia and support the war in Ukraine. Independent polling shows that the majority of people in Russia support the war, including the majority of the highly educated.

There is no sociology in a dictatorship where everybody knows about repercussions of expressing an opinion that goes against their glorious leader's will.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by [deleted] »

logicchains wrote: post #33
NicoJuicy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.

>Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.

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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by shabier »

paulvnickerson wrote: post #29

I'm glad to see the alternative tech companies (Rumble, Truth Social) that promote truly free spread and competition of ideas, and that they are surviving (RIP Parlor). If Facebook, Youtube, etc. insist on restricting thought and discussion on their platforms, it will be to their detriment.

Agreed. It is much easier to be aware of what the other side is thinking and, if the situation or platform allows it, to challenge those ideas.

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Post by myko »

logicchains wrote: post #28
yrgulation wrote: post #20

The fact that pro putin’s propaganda channel comments are getting upvoted, while those against are downvoted says a lot about the type of people that use this forum. Russia today and sputnik constantly promote anti western values, politicians and groups and are a major source of misinformation yet some call banning these weapons of war censorship. Appalling.

>promote anti western values, politicians and groups and are a major source of misinformation yet some call banning these weapons of war censorship It's pretty damn ironic that in the same breath you accuse Russia of promoting anti-western values, you attack the classic western value of free speech by calling for the banning of news sources you disagree with.

Not really, we are in the paradox of tolerance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) here.

It is in fact a bad idea to let Putin's propaganda machine have unchecked ability to spread anywhere.

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Post by flas9sd »

logicchains wrote: post #28
yrgulation wrote: post #20

The fact that pro putin’s propaganda channel comments are getting upvoted, while those against are downvoted says a lot about the type of people that use this forum. Russia today and sputnik constantly promote anti western values, politicians and groups and are a major source of misinformation yet some call banning these weapons of war censorship. Appalling.

>promote anti western values, politicians and groups and are a major source of misinformation yet some call banning these weapons of war censorship It's pretty damn ironic that in the same breath you accuse Russia of promoting anti-western values, you attack the classic western value of free speech by calling for the banning of news sources you disagree with.

absolute free speech is an american construct. For historical reasons, in Germany the crime of Volksverhetzung is a thing and I'm glad for there to be limits. There's no question of what RT is doing, they're trolling at the state level.

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

simion314 wrote: post #65
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #53

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In the US, there are slander and libel laws that you can be sued for if you print something that is untrue. But if you are a public figure or entity, you have to prove not just that an untruth was printed but also that it was done with "actual malice". Which country were you referring to specifically? I don't know any that require presenting both sides of a political issue as a general rule.

I am from Romania, our constitution is mostly based on France if I am not mistaken, maybe you can translate this https://www.lighthousecommunications.ro/blog/tot-ce-trebuie-... there is the obligation that if you presented false acuzations(not opinions) about someone you are forced to give this person the right to present his defense, also the editors of the news are responsible for the things they published. So you…

At least going by the Google translation of the article you cited, I doubt that any of these broadcasters would be required to carry RT under this law. This is more about slander and libel, not about giving every political viewpoint equal airtime. So I guess the answer to your original question is, "no, we did not allow new media to ignore our laws." Because there are no laws enforcing the mechanisms you contemplated in your original comment.

As far as giving the other side the opportunity to comment, the news networks are falling all over themselves to give Russia the opportunity to comment. They would all love to have frank, on the record discussions of this issue with Russian officials. That's different than broadcasting Russian propaganda though.

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Post by dreig »

logicchains wrote: post #33
NicoJuicy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.

>Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.

How convenient. What was Russia's excuse before NATO was created? Do you really think that if NATO did not exist that Putin would keep it in its borders?

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Post by lm28469 »

Gareth321 wrote: post #25
lnsru wrote: post #5

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It’s a wishful thinking, that everybody has some brain. There are enough flatearthers, antivaxers and wannabe putin’s buddies.

“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” Easily my favourite George R. R. Martin quote. We discovered why free speech is important during the 17th century in the Enlightenment period. The scientific method itself owes its existence to free speech, and the ability for any person to disagree with any other person, regardless of th…

Free speech has never been absolute. RT is a state owned propaganda organ, disinformation doesn't contribute to free speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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Post by jdrc »

shabier wrote: post #62
jdrc wrote: post #45

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it is, and that's important to know. most russians (and more importantly russians abroad) are presented with the same tired old propaganda they always did

> most russians (and more importantly russians abroad) are presented with the same tired old propaganda they always did I'm going to be thát guy; do you have sources to support that claim? I've been hearing about that sentiment but haven't seen any data about it.

Look at /rtnews telegram channel

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Post by pydry »

shabier wrote: post #66
fer wrote: post #38

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It's worthless since everything on RT is "Russia is always right, the rest are always wrong, and also they're Nazis/fascists/imperialists, and America/NATO did it too btw".

So it is western media but from a Russian POV

Theyve clearly picked up a few tricks.

Yesterday they published a story on chemical weapons WMD laboratories they supposedly found. Western media has ignored the story so far.

It's almost as if it's designed specifically to be awkward to denounce.

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