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Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by marwis »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

I game on Windows but had to start using Linux/Wine/Lutris because some old games (but not that old) don't work on modern Windows versions.

I suppose once WSL2 GPU support improves I will be running Wine over WSL2 :)

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by wintermutestwin »

burner556 wrote: post #32
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

Or better yet just buy a game console and don’t worry about any headaches :)

I use mods on all of the games I am interested in. Also, using controllers vs. KB+M is a horrible experience for me.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by wintermutestwin »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

This is exactly what I am doing (I also have my Win box on a walled off segment of my network). It does seem silly that my most powerful computer is a one-trick-pony, but I run my most demanding apps on Mac...

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by wintermutestwin »

stockerta wrote: post #61
bni wrote: post #43

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I also keep my Windows gaming PC only for gaming. Reinstall it regularly, because this is the Windows way. I have a DisplayPort USB KVM switch to quickly switch monitor, headphones, mouse and keyboard between my mac mini (that I normally use) and the gaming PC.

"Reinstall it regularly, because this is the Windows way." When did you last use windows regularly? In the 9x era?

Win 7 and 10 have frequently ran into issues where updates fail to install for goofy and often inexplicable reasons. It is easier and faster to just reinstall that garbage without wasting time troubleshooting.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by gpderetta »

revanx_ wrote: post #78
gpderetta wrote: post #76

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One issue with device virtualization is that the required hardware features are often locked out in non enterprise-grade hardware (although they can sometime be unlocked, for example: https://github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock ).

thank you for that link. Does AMD have the same shenanigans of locking out consumer grade gpu's? Intel has GVT-g vGPU virtualization which works with intel integrated graphics, it will be interesting to see what road Intel takes with their dedicated GPUs.

I might be misinformed, but my understanding is that consumer AMD cards, for the most part, do not have the required virtualization hardware at all, so there is nothing to unlock.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by gigaflop »

devwastaken wrote: post #34
morsch wrote: post #29

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A separate Linux user would go a long way. You'd have to be very unlucky to get hit by a RCE in a game that's simultaneously targeted at Proton users.

With PC gaming it's more of an issue of having to install all sorts of various software, including game mods, or the ever popular "hey try out my game" scams through discord. A popular one is distributing malicious unity assets. We don't realize that most of this stuff has little to no security, simply put just nobody exploits it. Dark souls series all had an online RCE and the game servers have been down for a while…

Keep in mind that the Souls RCE exploit was unknown for many years, and the modding community rallied to get it to FromSoft's attention.

The modding community maintains its own 'anti-cheat' system called Blue Sentinel, which was updated day-of to block the RCE exploit. At least, the same day the warning was made in the Discord servers I'm still in.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by mschuster91 »

dark-star wrote: post #74
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

You can just use a Windows-VM, and if you're concerned about performance, use PCIe passthrough for your graphics card. Or use something like https://looking-glass.io/

> and if you're concerned about performance, use PCIe passthrough for your graphics card.

Won't work with NVIDIA cards at all without a boatload of hacks (because they don't want consumer cards to be used in virtualized environments), and AMD cards are an utter pain in the ass to work with because AMD can't be bothered to get basic PCI stuff to work [1].

Also, you always run the risk of some anti-cheat solution detecting your virtualization environment and banning you permanently.

If you value your sanity, don't do gaming inside a VM.

[1]: https://www.nicksherlock.com/2020/11/working-around-the-amd-...

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

sa1 wrote: post #27
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #15

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Crossover is the commercial version of WINE, which this is using.

It's not just that, it is also a prefix manager, which this is competing with.

This is a strange HN post (the parent, not yours). I recall playing with bottles and prefixes ... 10 years ago I think? Back when I was in my emulation craze and wanted to setup a huge swathe of games with WINE.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by smoldesu »

ddtaylor wrote: post #24
ijlx wrote: post #19

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> and, yunno, a Flatpak What's wrong with Flatpak? I've had fewer problems with flatpak than with AppImage personally.

Some peoples opinion of Flatpak has been heavily warped by websites like FlatKill.org

It's even easier to warp your opinion of it by trying to daily-drive a Flatpak, you'll be begging for distro packages in no time!

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by hparadiz »

teh_klev wrote: post #70
hparadiz wrote: post #51

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This makes no sense. So you value your security but then choose to go with a less secure operating system? You can easily install all your games on another user on your linux box and run as that user. Super easy and it won't have access to any of your main home directory files. In fact with this configuration it's a lot easier to ensure that the games are sandboxed away from anything important. In contrast on Windows…

> In contrast on Windows most games run as Admin That's not true. > or at some point ask for admin privileges. Usually this is a UAC prompt so that the installer can deploy the game/app into Program Files. This isn't the fault of Windows and I'm fairly certain this could be avoided by the developer of the game/app. > play your game without Windows having a hissy fit about Windows updates You know you can defer update…

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