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Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by fnordsensei »

hparadiz wrote: post #51
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

This makes no sense. So you value your security but then choose to go with a less secure operating system? You can easily install all your games on another user on your linux box and run as that user. Super easy and it won't have access to any of your main home directory files. In fact with this configuration it's a lot easier to ensure that the games are sandboxed away from anything important. In contrast on Windows…

Compartmentalization as a security practice has value regardless of the OSes involved.

This would be true also if you split your use cases into two Linux instances.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

ghostly_s wrote: post #16
smoldesu wrote: post #6

If you intend to use this, reach for the AppImage version. The AUR installation script appears to be broken, and the Flatpak version of the app is feature-incomplete (and, yunno, a Flatpak).

The download page says of Flatpak: > This is the most supported and tested release of Bottles. and AppImage: > AppImage is broken, we are investigating, please use Flatpak in the meantime.

Parent is right though: Flatpak version doesn't allow the creation of .desktop files for Windows applications. It's a mysteriously silly decision, as you don't even get the option even if you manually give the flatpak the correct permissions.

Even worse: a bug in the Flatpak version prevents the launching of Windows applications directly from the commandline, so you can't even manually create .desktop files for it!

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by pferde »

autoexec wrote: post #41
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

> I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care about in any way. This was my plan too, but my intention was to keep the windows box offline 99% of the time (pretty much only connecting for downloads/installs). I still didn't like the idea of installing steam on the machine though since that would mean it's g…

Most games already do run with little or no problems. I recommend looking up games you are interested in on https://protondb.com to see how well you can expect them to run with Proton.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by dark-star »

ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

You can just use a Windows-VM, and if you're concerned about performance, use PCIe passthrough for your graphics card.

Or use something like https://looking-glass.io/

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by chakkepolja »

hparadiz wrote: post #51
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

This makes no sense. So you value your security but then choose to go with a less secure operating system? You can easily install all your games on another user on your linux box and run as that user. Super easy and it won't have access to any of your main home directory files. In fact with this configuration it's a lot easier to ensure that the games are sandboxed away from anything important. In contrast on Windows…

> You can easily install all your games on another user on your linux box and run as that user. Super easy and it won't have access to any of your main home directory files. In fact with this configuration it's a lot easier to ensure that the games are sandboxed away from anything important.

I have been told enough times that existence of RCE should be assumed as root access, because someone who can do RCE could probably do a PE too..

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by gpderetta »

revanx_ wrote: post #60
hparadiz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes no sense. So you value your security but then choose to go with a less secure operating system? You can easily install all your games on another user on your linux box and run as that user. Super easy and it won't have access to any of your main home directory files. In fact with this configuration it's a lot easier to ensure that the games are sandboxed away from anything important. In contrast on Windows…

I game on linux, it's not as secure as I would like it to be. I run everything under unprivileged container including steam, the problem is that for vulkan hardware renderer to work it requires direct access to the device and the linux kernel doesn't virtualize device access. It's a security nightmare as far as I can see.

One issue with device virtualization is that the required hardware features are often locked out in non enterprise-grade hardware (although they can sometime be unlocked, for example: https://github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock).

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by dmd »

hparadiz wrote: post #51
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

This makes no sense. So you value your security but then choose to go with a less secure operating system? You can easily install all your games on another user on your linux box and run as that user. Super easy and it won't have access to any of your main home directory files. In fact with this configuration it's a lot easier to ensure that the games are sandboxed away from anything important. In contrast on Windows…

And as we all know, it's been ages[0] since the last local privilege escalation vulnerability on Linux.

[0] 4 days, to be exact - https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2021-4034

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by revanx_ »

gpderetta wrote: post #76
revanx_ wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I game on linux, it's not as secure as I would like it to be. I run everything under unprivileged container including steam, the problem is that for vulkan hardware renderer to work it requires direct access to the device and the linux kernel doesn't virtualize device access. It's a security nightmare as far as I can see.

One issue with device virtualization is that the required hardware features are often locked out in non enterprise-grade hardware (although they can sometime be unlocked, for example: https://github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock ).

thank you for that link. Does AMD have the same shenanigans of locking out consumer grade gpu's? Intel has GVT-g vGPU virtualization which works with intel integrated graphics, it will be interesting to see what road Intel takes with their dedicated GPUs.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by Zababa »

hparadiz wrote: post #51
ddtaylor wrote: post #23

Lutris, PlayOnLinux, Proton, etc. are all really cool. But, if you value your time and security, just keep a dedicated Windows system for gaming. I keep all the things I actually care about or don't want stolen on my Linux system with full drive encryption and I keep a gaming PC that has absolutely nothing I care about on it. The Windows system is never allowed to access my email, credit cards, or anything I care abo…

This makes no sense. So you value your security but then choose to go with a less secure operating system? You can easily install all your games on another user on your linux box and run as that user. Super easy and it won't have access to any of your main home directory files. In fact with this configuration it's a lot easier to ensure that the games are sandboxed away from anything important. In contrast on Windows…

> You can easily install all your games on another user on your linux box and run as that user.

No, you can't play all your games on linux. Anti cheat is one of the big problems for example.

Re: Bottles – Run Windows software and games on Linux

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Post by gpderetta »

capableweb wrote: post #3

More fitting title would be "Easily manage wineprefix using environments" or "Easily manage wine prefixes in a new way" as this is just using Wine, which is what actually does the "Run Windows software and games on Linux" (current title) part. If anyone has experience, and since the repository doesn't mention it, how is Bottles different from let's say Lutris, Q4Wine and PlayOnLinux that already exists and does somet…

AFAIK "bottle" is just a commonly used alias for a wine prefix. It predates this project.
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