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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

vasachi wrote: post #75
mellavora wrote: post #65

What's driving me crazy about Firefox is that every time they release a new version, whatever version I am running on my machine stops working-- it refuses to load any new page or to refresh any existing page. So I have to open Safari and download and install the latest release. Which means I can never count on Firefox working. Frustrating. osx, if that helps anyone suggest a fix.

Huh? Firefox on macOS autoupdates quite fine. You do not need to download it manually.

That's not what it is about it is about the irritating 'one more thing we need to do before you can continue to do your important work is to restart firefox'.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by michaelanckaert »

a5aAqU wrote: post #73
michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

I don't understand the anger about the VPN. I think it's a good idea. Reader mode is useful, especially if you block a lot of CSS and JavaScript by default with uMatrix. I don't know why people use DOH anyway. It bypasses your hosts file, so you can't block things as easily.

Fully agree with reader mode, it's an integral part of the browser. VPN not so much IMO.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by TonyTrapp »

tomudding wrote: post #36

Disabling DoH and properly closing Firefox most certainly works (for me). However, if you had enabled DoH then you probably do not want to turn it off, in which case disabling HTTP/3 as mentioned is the only proper solution.

> However, if you had enabled DoH then you probably do not want to turn it off

Or you simply didn't know that Firefox made it the default a while ago. I had it intentionally disabled on one machine but forgot that it's enabled on others, which made troubleshooting even more "interesting"... Why do things work on one machine but not the other?

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

Semaphor wrote: post #63
jacquesm wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow, thank you so much for this. I've been trying to troubleshoot this for hours but because my browser didn't work I never thought of checking HN to see if other people had this as well. Another score for automatic updates I guess.

As others said, this happened to all kinds of versions, not just 96.

I was perfectly happy with the one that didn't support this 'feature', and automatic updates are what brought it to my system.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jack_pp »

zinekeller wrote: post #72

Genuinely, I cannot reproduce the issue. I ensured that both DoH (set to Cloudflare) and H3 are enabled but didn't hit the snag, so either Cloudflare has a buggy deployment or the hunch ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c6 ) that it's telemetry activating H3. Update: using Google's ( the horror ) DoH, and I didn't notice problems. Might just be CF having a bad H3 deployment, but I want to know wh…

I think it has been fixed, I didn't do any fixing on my own and it just worked after 20-30 minutes again

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by michaelanckaert »

skywal_l wrote: post #70
michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

I don't think Mozilla's income is a problem. They are making money. The problem is how they spend that money. My impression is that they lost the original spirit. Mozilla lacked a BDFL that would embody that spirit. What's going on at Mozilla is probably what's going to happen for Linux once Linus is out. Both these pieces of open source software are way too big to be replicated now by a dude or a bunch of dudes and…

Agreed, income isn't a problem. It's vision. But I don't want to support Mozilla in a financial way if their vision doesn't match my own. This may sound presumptuous but we really need an open web and Mozilla is one of the last defenders (and failing). I don't want my monetary donations to go to side projects, I want a great open source browser as the focus.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by mirekrusin »

zagrebian wrote: post #69
mirekrusin wrote: post #7

Same here, couldn't connect on nightly, had to downgrade to normal one, crash report couldn't be sent as well, likely due to the same problem (weird, I thought it's handled by macOS itself).

I had the same issue in Nightly a few moments ago, and disabling HTTP3 on about:config worked for me.

Yes, did the same after seeing comment, thanks, works fine, back on nightly.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by a5aAqU »

michaelanckaert wrote: post #82
a5aAqU wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the anger about the VPN. I think it's a good idea. Reader mode is useful, especially if you block a lot of CSS and JavaScript by default with uMatrix. I don't know why people use DOH anyway. It bypasses your hosts file, so you can't block things as easily.

Fully agree with reader mode, it's an integral part of the browser. VPN not so much IMO.

Many people wouldn't otherwise sign up for a VPN, and there are a lot of shady VPNs out there. Mozilla can use the feature to help reduce dependence on a company that has been trying to destroy them for years (Google), and help non-tech people get set up with a VPN.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by foxfluff »

styeco wrote: post #18

I really hope the auto-update component doesn't have the same issue, otherwise Firefox is essentially dead on millions of computers owned by non-techies.

I can confirm auto-updater got broken too. When I realized my browser (nightly) was borked, first instinct was to update.. but nope, that didn't work. Then I manually downloaded a new nightly tarball, but that also didn't help. Switched to stable (95.0.2) and that worked once, then it got borked too.
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