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Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by refurb »

nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

Reminds me of that scene from the movie The Outlaw Jose Wales:

- We got him now. We'll get these two first, then the others.

- What others? Wales and the kid are the last ones.

- Oh, no. Texas is full of rebels.

- Lots of work to do down in Texas.

- We get Josey Wales and it ends.

- Doing right ain't got no end.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

eldaisfish wrote: post #60
DiffEq wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why not fire people who are overweight? That kills more people; reduces work capacity more than any other, and costs more money than any other health issue we have. Additionally, if you are healthy and do not have the comorbidities that come with being overweight your risks of being a Covid mortality is less than the flu. So to be consistent Google should fire everyone that is overweight right? And you should be…

Weight-related diseases are generally not communicable, and are certainly not airborne. My risk of vehicular injury is not increased by being around you, even if you are a bad driver.

Actually, iirc there are studies showing people are more likely to be obese if the people around them are obese. So obesity seems to be communicable in some sense.

As for driving you are of course wrong, other bad drivers can affect your health.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by efa »

chrisseaton wrote: post #35
jaquer_1 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Force people into draconian measures that won't stop infection and violate their rights. 2. Convince them that it's necessary to stop the pandemic without giving any arguments. 3. Have them defend your measures in public forums and feel very smart.

> violate their rights Can you talk us through exactly which rights you think are being violated?

I assume he means the right to not have a substance injected into your body if you don't want it.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

Karsteski wrote: post #77
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusations of Racism. Only 28% of young black people in New York are vaccinated as of October, for example. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-bl... Edit: Added "young" adjective that was missing, point remains.

Please don't overuse the word racism. Yes, a smaller percentage of black people in both the US and Canada are vaccinated. Yes they have very good reasons to be distrustful of government and institutions in general. It doesn't mean the vaccine distribution or enforcement is racist. I am very much against the forced vaccinations of people, and I very much abhor what is happening in Canada (where I live) with the vaccin…

I am not going to state here whether I think it would or would not be racist.

I am saying though, that if you unilaterally denied COVID care to non-vaccinated patients, that would be the equivalent of denying service to ~70% of "young black people," which would be easy bait for people calling that racist. Which is why the health system probably won't do it.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by chernevik »

criddell wrote: post #38

At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

By that logic insurers could deny claims related to obesity, or risky sexual behavior. Would you approve of that?

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by postsantum »

nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a man trying to press "Cancel Immunity+ subscription" button — forever.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by kiba »

CabSauce wrote: post #12
nsxwolf wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's capitulation to coercion, which has its own side effects.

That's why I drink and drive as much as I want. Can't let the man tell me what to do! /s

The reason why drunk driving is so dangerous is because of the choices of past governments to make implicit subsidies for cars and urban planners making car dependent suburbia.

Our choices are already constrained before we even realize it and yet people chose to die on the vaccination hill.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

titzer wrote: post #67
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my country, there are places where everybody goes naked all the time. Not sure if people live their all year round, or if it is only for holidays.

Those places are not, for example, shopping malls.

Pretty sure they have shops there, as well. However, the people stocking the shops probably put on some clothes when they need to venture outside to get supplies.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by Radim »

CabSauce wrote: post #9
nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

What about the rights of a private (in the sense of government) company to make their own decisions?

Isn't this the same argument as "The government is not allowed to censor free speech – but nothing stops it from colluding with / coercing private companies to do its dirty job"?

It is puzzling that such "bypass of privacy / speech rights" was ferociously resisted by the some of same people who now applaud the "bypass of medical / physical integrity rights". Hey look, it's not us doing the violence and suspending basic human rights – it's the private companies!

I guess people need to see how this ugly pattern plays out in full, again. I anticipate a lot of future "How could they let this happen?" and "Nobody could have foreseen this!" as well as the sad classic, "Is there no one left to stand up for me?".

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by Workaccount2 »

DiffEq wrote: post #39
Oddskar wrote: post #4

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Then why not fire people who are overweight? That kills more people; reduces work capacity more than any other, and costs more money than any other health issue we have. Additionally, if you are healthy and do not have the comorbidities that come with being overweight your risks of being a Covid mortality is less than the flu. So to be consistent Google should fire everyone that is overweight right? And you should be…

You can start your own company and fire people for whatever (legal) metric you want.

It's hilarious watching the "muh personal freedoms" people complain about private entities exercising their personal freedoms because it has bad overlap with their own. Either swallow the hard pills that come with "personal freedoms" or shut up about it.

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