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End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by thinkloop »

swdunlop wrote: post #35
trebcon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their messaging was pretty poor here imo. The email they sent me gave no clear indication that Firefox would have this ability in it's body.

Ditto. I came to HN after seeing the email, looking for the best way to migrate my passwords out of Lockwise. Well, still looking. They are outta here.

No-one seems to ever mention LastPass for some reason when this comes up. It's a complete solution, locally-encrypted, backed-up to the cloud, auto-fill, apps, all platforms, etc.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by ksec »

abnercoimbre wrote: post #73
ksec wrote: post #69

I try to give Mozilla some benefits of doubt and wasted 5 min trying to search for an official note, PR , blog or something that provides more detail, in a simple and clear manner to explain the situation. They could have worded it as All Lockwise functions being integrated into Firefox, iOS version coming in December. Nope, this is it. Or may be it is me being dumb. But judging from some comments here this support d…

Why is this so infuriatingly common with them? Is there a place for learning about their decision-making process? I'll take crumbs at this point to make some sense of it.

It is very common and typical of any organisation ( so not just Mozilla ) which are low in morale and dysfunctional, lacking real leadership and customer care.

It is just human nature.

Little sad writing this since I followed Firefox before it was called Firefox.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by dralley »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #42
krzyk wrote: post #38

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Not sure what you are writing regarding Firefox Send and Lockwise. They are/were good, or at least good for me.

They are decent - but they are undermining the development of the Firefox browser by consuming lots of precious time and money which is not what Firefox needs right now. Remember that Mozilla get's 90%+ of its funding, not from donations, but from Google for being the default search engine. Firefox's market share is now ~4%, dangerously close to where Google might decide that the payout isn't worth it. And close enou…

"lots"

But are they? I doubt you actually have any special knowledge of this. They don't seem to me like they would require so much resources.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by dralley »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #53
kf6nux wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their job? When we can and will do better. FWIW, I heard Mozilla is offering full refunds to everyone that purchased Lockwise, which is way better than you'd get from any for-profit company.

Full refunds? I get the ethics - but that means that this entire experiment was a very, very expensive failure that only caused a net loss to the brand and Mozilla's finances. Heads should roll in management, but they won't.

>was a very, very expensive

Why do you keep pretending to know this?

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by ziddoap »

thinkloop wrote: post #81
swdunlop wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto. I came to HN after seeing the email, looking for the best way to migrate my passwords out of Lockwise. Well, still looking. They are outta here.

No-one seems to ever mention LastPass for some reason when this comes up. It's a complete solution, locally-encrypted, backed-up to the cloud, auto-fill, apps, all platforms, etc.

Not open-source, 3rd-party trackers in the android app, no easily accessible 3rd-party audits (that I can find), an unintuitive UI (no easy 1-button copy, clunky item entry*, etc.), and roughly 1 security incident every 1.5 years.

Are they the worst? No. Are there better ones? Yes.

*The number of people at work which put their username in the URL field is astounding. We also have people saving personal passwords into shared folders without realizing it. This speaks to UI issues.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by skrowl »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #30

When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their job? They've managed to lose almost all their market popularity, mobile Firefox share is almost nonexistent, they pay their executives extremely disproportionately compared to most nonprofits, they have expanded into countless failed side projects (Firefox OS, Firefox Send) and vestigial side projects they aren't good at (Pocket, Firefox Focus, Firefox Rea…

>When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their job?

You mean like https://www.palemoon.org/ , https://www.waterfox.net/ , https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ , etc, or something different?

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by tomrod »

Very unfortunate. I've appreciated Lockwise for syncing between desktop and mobile. The FF mobile Android app has been a hot mess since at least last summer when their UX update rolled out.

I so want to support Mozilla but their moves always seem to be anti-power user. Oh well.

Any recommendations? I'm looking at NordPass but would love to hear about other alternatives.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by anmipo »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #50
swdunlop wrote: post #35

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Ditto. I came to HN after seeing the email, looking for the best way to migrate my passwords out of Lockwise. Well, still looking. They are outta here.

Keepass + your choice of file sync. Keepass's database has file-based locking so it's safe to sync just via filesystem. I like KeepassXC one Android and MacOS; Keepassium free-tier on iOS works great. On Android you can use syncthing, but syncthing doesn't work on iOS, so I use NextCloud to sync everything now.

For Syncthing on iOS there is Möbius Sync. However, it struggles with background updates (due to iOS restrictions).

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by vorticalbox »

jonchang wrote: post #54
trebcon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their messaging was pretty poor here imo. The email they sent me gave no clear indication that Firefox would have this ability in it's body.

These are the first paragraphs of the email I got: > On December 13th 2021, the Firefox browser will be officially "resorbing" Firefox Lockwise. Don't worry, all your saved Lockwise passwords will still be available through the Firefox browser using a Firefox account. > The Firefox Lockwise app will no longer be updated and supported by Mozilla and will not be available in the Apple App and Google Play Stores. After…

i am not sure this is the same, lock wise let you fill in passwords on any application not just in the browser
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