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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by anovikov » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #68

anovikov wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

I can find a competent plumber trivially. Hiring white collar jobs are much harder, especially specialized tech work. I think the anti-college popularity ties directly to the incredible cost of it in the USA, not that its necessarily a bad thing.

But incredible cost is because of the inflated demand. Too many people go to college who don't need it. Reduce demand by, pun intended, educating people that they don't need college unless they can make it to the top, and prices will fall.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by jimbob45 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

This is my favorite time of the decade because it’s at the nadir of political tension in the US. We’re exactly halfway between elections and the next election is an unimportant one (relatively). The only people still talking about politics are people who are genuinely interested in politics or who have interesting insights.

Nothing that anyone says politically right now matters. For proof, consider how many of your friends even remember that Afghanistan fell just two months ago - likely none if they’re like my friends. In fact, there’s a consequential NJ gubernatorial election coming up in the next month and no one’s talking about it. I love the peace and respite we’re getting from politics personally.

Anyways, to respond to you, Parson is in charge of a state that regularly has multiple cities top the US murder rate charts. Anything he says that makes you forget that fact, even temporarily, is a win for him.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #62

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by say_it_as_it_is » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

Acutulus wrote: post #7

I find the article title kind of curious, given that it states Parson has "doubled down" which suggests that the video the article references is an active effort on Parson's part. It then goes on to state that the video was produced by a PAC Parson created but doesn't give direct input to. Comes off as unnecessarily inflammatory to me I suppose. Having said that, this situation in particular really tests my willingne…

You don't have a personal PAC that isn't beyond your influence. It wouldn't be a personal PAC, then.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by xvector » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #62

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

> makes people waste their best years

I strongly believe that one's best years can be after college. Our society fetishizes youth too much. I've grown more as a person in the few years following college than I did in the decade prior.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by kspacewalk2 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

cde-v wrote: post #63

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

You're just a lab rat if you take the vaccine before it has had 209,348 years of trials.

> You're just a lab rat if you take the vaccine before it has had 209,348 years of trials.

Or, you know, 3. Like most new vaccines. Except with this one, an exception was made because people were (are) dying by the millions, and because most of those 3 years is an observation period for rare and obscure side effects that take time to manifest. But do nevertheless happen. We did what we usually do in medicine: risk-benefit trade-off. The decision wasn't a close one, but that doesn't mean that being concerned about the risk is somehow absurd.

Point being: using charitable interpretations of your opponents' arguments does not make for brief and funny sound bites.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I see all politicians as blank humans who reflect their constituents. Not everybody needs to agree, especially the further they are geographically.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by xbar » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

tantalor wrote: post #75

smoyer wrote: post #71

I don't see this mentioned anywhere but the HTML page the journalist visited is public so there's no CFAA/DMCA violation there. Once the HTML page (data) is cached by the journalist's browser, they're free to do anything they want with the data. The journalist ran "his hacker tools" against his own computer which is also not a crime. Like others, I'm sad to see such a technically illiterate response when there should…

> free to do anything they want Copyright could apply.

Journalists reporting on security vulnerabilities in public systems getting sued for copyright violations would be novel, especially when the actual data involved (SSNs) is not data covered by copyright protections for the owners of those public systems.

Perhaps you are trolling?

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by mdp2021 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

elliekelly wrote: post #57

mdp2021 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have forgotten to propose to test for morals, dignity and mental health. Because the matter and issue, in the specific case, is not with "notions". Edit: I don't even know why for some reason I forgot (probably because it comes without saying): basic wits. And, seeing that somebody really calls is an "odd idea": no, there absolutely should be requirements. Getting the appropriate measurements, reliably and feasib…

There are a handful of states whose constitutions (ostensibly) “test” a for morals by requiring candidates for public office to believe in god. This, despite the federal constitution clearly stating: > No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

This is (really) interesting and telling, but what it really shows is that extremely low sophistication and its somehow complementary, a massive (and, look: unjustifiable) amount of ignorance, are diffuse in the world and made part of the legislation (that "no belief does guarantee developed morals", and that "no belief is required to develop morals", and that "morals come from a realm different than belief"¹ is just an example).

The information you provided is a further alarm bell about the dire needs we have about vetting people in the current, desperate, worn out world. Normal social interaction as a way to fine tune the individual, the traditional selection way, shows to be ineffective today.

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¹Oddly, in a world in which the concept of "identification" is increasingly spread, "curiously and consistently" I have not yet heard the expression "X identifies as a moral (and/or dignified, intelligent, sophisticated, compassionate, judicious, reliable...) agent". The concept of "identification" seems to be restricted to tribal matters (and, still notably, "earthly" criteria). These two interlinked factors are very telling about the issues in today's society.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by sli » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #62

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

The whole "college = liberal arts majors" is a wildly reductive argument and is extremely common among the types that OP is referring to. It's pretty disheartening to see it repeated here.