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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by znpy »

lmilcin wrote: post #67
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

I just can't understand how people put up with not being able to control what they primary machines are doing. For that reason my primary work machine can currently only be Linux. I have Windows, but this one is only for stuff that is incompatible with Linux. I actually have Linux PC and a separate Linux laptop (Thinkpad T440s). That laptop runs super cool once I debugged all the sources of power usage. Which is quit…

> I actually have Linux PC and a separate Linux laptop (Thinkpad T440s).

> That laptop runs super cool once I debugged all the sources of power usage.

I have a T440 which runs quite hot, where did you look for sources of power usage (beyond powertop) ?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by zokier »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #51
undecisive wrote: post #36

Reminds me of the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs. I have had an XPS since 2017, it had everything I wanted (I thought) - but I seriously regretted the decision almost immediately. High-intensity tasks (gaming…

Dells were the only laptops I ever encountered that you could bend. It’s amazing anyone other then starving college kids ever used them.

I have Thinkpad (x230 iirc) that reliably crashes if you lift it up from one side only.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by captn3m0 »

vesinisa wrote: post #57
captn3m0 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s some really interesting security challenges that pop-up with Hibernation. Not sure if they blocked Apple though.

Anyone who is concerned about this should already be using full-disk encryption, which means the memory contents are actually better protected during hibernation than in a live state. This is one thing that usually Linux gets mostly right .. only if the proprietary GPU drivers played along. Meanwhile, Microsoft and Apple certainly could implement this properly but instead decide to release a new half-assed half-hiber…

https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/55845.html

I was referring to this.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by yread »

harlekein wrote: post #65
gotstad wrote: post #54

I will never buy a Dell XPS laptop again. The exterior build quality seems very good, but the internals are such a mess. I cannot count how many times I have been biking home from work and heard in my headphones "Two devices connected", realizing that my Dell XPS had woken up and would - once again - be red hot when I arrived home and pulled it out of my bag.

I've had three generations of the XPS 13. The first I had had a few issues, but fixable. (Even though I agree, this shouldn't even have occurred) The second one was flawless. The last one was worse than the first and it's my last. I've set my sights on Lenovo now. X1 Carbon is supposed to be really good for Linux and you can buy it with Ubuntu or no OS installed.

The Carbon had its share of issues

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/Lenov...

The latest BIOS supposedly fixes most of them

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by thaumasiotes »

> Under no circumstances should you leave a laptop powered on and in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag, backpack, or in an overhead bin. The PC will overheat as a result of that action.

Did they change the meaning of "hibernate"? Showing it in the "power" menu has also been disabled, though you can assign it to the power button and then press the button.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by siva7 »

joeberon wrote: post #72
toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

It's funny how the competition tries to copy the success of the Macbook line but fails on such an elementar design. I really wish they would succeed and make laptops not made by Apple suck less.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by amiga-workbench »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #77
vesinisa wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation took about three seconds on my Windows 98 SE laptop. It took three minutes on my Windows XP. It never finishes on modern Windows.

My Toshiba Libretto seems to have it built into the BIOS. The computer displays a full-screen animation of the Laptop dumping its system memory to disk, and after a few seconds it powers down. Its all very seamless and jank free.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by chriswarbo »

joeberon wrote: post #72
toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

Apple laptops have their own problems, like delivering mild electric shocks from their exposed-metal cases. Unfortunately the trend of copying Apple has lead to other manufacturers having exposed-metal cases, and inheriting this flaw.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by yread »

kelnos wrote: post #8

The issue is that Windows doesn't go into S3 sleep when you close the lid; it goes into a weird not-really-asleep state for... some reason that I don't agree with[0]. I guess that state is "hot" enough that you could damage the laptop by putting it in a bag while in that state. Fortunately I've been running Linux on my XPS 13, which I have put into a bag hundreds of times (maybe even over a thousand) while suspended.…

On the other hand ssh sessions staying opened are nice. I agree it doesn't outweigh the mess it created though
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