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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#81
According to Tesla's own legal documents FSD beta is still at level 2.

Level 2 automated driving is defined as systems that provide steering and brake/acceleration support, as well as lane centering and adaptive cruise control.

So it is the same as in most modern cars (other brands also have 'environment awareness') but Tesla still market it as 'sit back and close your eyes' driving.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#82

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

> what was the car even trying to do?

I guess it thought that the road ahead is too narrow to continue. But if this is the case why did it simply not stop?

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#83
Basic game theory dictates that if automated driving is seen as too safe, pedestrians will feel comfortable walking anywhere, anytime. Dense downtowns will become completely gridlocked and unusable for cars. Which maybe isn’t a bad thing. But if you want cars in cities you need them to be perceived as dangerous. Yeah I was convinced by Gladwell.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we thinking that Elon super fans might do this?

Edit: I was being dumb and am wrong. This is YouTube's internal system for copyrights not DCMA. Apologies. Old comment below... You can read up on how to submit DCMA takedowns for YouTube here -> https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807622?hl=en The original uploader of the video submitted the DCMA takedown request.

OP’s point is that anyone can lie in the DMCA takedown form and say they own the content. It’s illegal but I’m not aware of it ever coming back to the perpetrator in the form of jail time/lawsuit.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#85
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"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

You must yield to pedestrian in crosswalk, how far away the pedestrian is does not matter.

But what does "yield" mean? It means slow down, and proceed when it's safe to do so. If a pedestrian starts crossing a 4-lane road and I have time to turn across his path without making him stop or deviate, then I can proceed safely and I think I've met the definition of "yield"

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#86

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

People aren’t bothered by how close the car came to the pedestrians - it’s the fact that the autopilot was programmed to go in a straight line and at an intersection decided to steer into a crosswalk. Not to mention the fact that it seems entirely legal for a company like Tesla to test such dangerous functionality on public streets with other drivers and pedestrians, with zero permission or regulation.

> the autopilot was programmed to go in a straight line and at an intersection decided to steer into a crosswalk.

Agree this is a weird and very concerning bug.

> Not to mention the fact that it seems entirely legal for a company like Tesla to test such dangerous functionality on public streets with other drivers and pedestrians, with zero permission or regulation.

This driver seems to be someone who I would be ok with testing this. He's got his hand an inch from the steering wheel and obviously paying attention. I would rather this scenario happen, than Tesla be restricted to no public road access and they just unleash an untested system.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#87

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

Keep watching the HUD pane - before the driver takes over, it corrects and decides to go straight. In fact, it's turning the wheel to the left before the driver stops the correction.

I think this is a navigation issue. This is exactly what I would have done if I had a passenger yell "WAIT TURN RIGHT TURN RIGHT oh nevermind GO STRAIGHT"

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#88
I think we’re missing the point that this is currently designed for a driver to monitor at all times, the driver intervened appropriately, and thereby provided another training example for the network. This is also a beta version that is being tested by humans who have the legal and moral responsibility for control of the car.
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