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The arguments in this comment section have been rehashed so many times on HN now it is becoming hilarious. Who would have thought that office vs remote is the emacs vs vim of the 2020s.
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I think you just gave an example why they shouldnt have held that meeting physically
Or rather that demonstrates the absolute value of physical meetings. If all day long Zoom calls and Slack messages could have led to spontaneous discussions/new initiatives like that they already would have, but they didn't, I saw more sparks flying in one afternoon of social event than 3 months of planned video calls. I firmly believe if Silicon Valley goes fully remote, then it will no longer stay the innovation en…
I've seen more sparks fly from random discussions on Slack then I've ever seen in person. The ability to toss out random thoughts/idea at any time, and have others discuss/expand on them at their leisure is... powerful.
Different modes of communication have different tradeoffs. There's nothing magical about in-person communication.
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As long as companies are run by human there will be politics, favoritism, subjective impressions, subjective biases, and "out of sight, out of mind" selective memories. This paragraph kind of falls under "Never attribute to malice what is readily explained by stupidity." Those organic conversations may not happen in Slack but they can happen online. Most people don't actively foster them and many people may not know…
> Not knowing how How? Genuinely want to know
As preferable as WFH is for many and as productive as many people can be while working remote, at the end of the day, you can't change human nature. There is a reason why companies like Google are doubling down in Silicon Valley real estate. They believe that the best, most innovative type of work are the results of organic discussions and unscheduled, unplanned, casual human interactions. So many cool ideas and new…
I was under the impression that comps have the practice of giving work to people that might produce good results with that kind of work, and trust me, people who might produce good results will want the freedom WFH makes possible.
But on the other hand, people who have to depend on politics and ass kissing to keep their job and get promoted, will absolutely want to be around and near managers as much as possible, so that they can maximise their ass kissing, so your A-team, will soon end up exclusively with that kind..
As preferable as WFH is for many and as productive as many people can be while working remote, at the end of the day, you can't change human nature. There is a reason why companies like Google are doubling down in Silicon Valley real estate. They believe that the best, most innovative type of work are the results of organic discussions and unscheduled, unplanned, casual human interactions. So many cool ideas and new…
I’d wager that a vast majority of programming being done is internal LOB CRUD apps. Sure, management will gush over how “innovative” those CRUD apps are, but most programming jobs is just finding out where data resides, where it’s going and what Bootstrap template to show it in. No need for creative ballpit meetings for that.
As preferable as WFH is for many and as productive as many people can be while working remote, at the end of the day, you can't change human nature. There is a reason why companies like Google are doubling down in Silicon Valley real estate. They believe that the best, most innovative type of work are the results of organic discussions and unscheduled, unplanned, casual human interactions. So many cool ideas and new…
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I don't get your reasoning on why you expect that people will have to take a pay cut for working remotely. Would have thought it would be the opposite. Office space, hardware and energy cost a bit.
Managers cite efficiency losses in terms of communication, team building, training new staff, and idea generation in general. Not my arguments, just what I've seen written...
As I understand it, the rationale behind offering pay-cuts to full time wfh employees is that the pay cut is relative to the employee's lower cost of living. The employer sees an opportunity to avoid including the cost-of-living salary-uplift that is required to attract people to San Francisco etc.
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As long as companies are run by human there will be politics, favoritism, subjective impressions, subjective biases, and "out of sight, out of mind" selective memories. This paragraph kind of falls under "Never attribute to malice what is readily explained by stupidity." Those organic conversations may not happen in Slack but they can happen online. Most people don't actively foster them and many people may not know…
>Not knowing how isn't proof it can't be done. Human interaction skills falls into the category of things that knowledge doesn't even remotely guarantee outcome. You can teach a group of socially awkward and introvert people an entire 4 years course of how to be a charismatic socialite and most of them still won't become one. > Lots of things are currently happening in the world that were just science fiction not tha…
That’s why I’m not missing out on the A-team bullshit by working remotely, I wasn’t the type to land it when I was in the office. I ate lunch at my desk and got the fuck out when I was done for the day. I’m not wired for all of that.
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What are less volatile industries with well paying jobs?
Plumbing. Electrical. HVAC. Roofing. The average age of trade workers is over 50. Carpentry is in extreme demand but the pay hasn't caught up yet -- eventually it will. Demand already far exceeds supply. Edit: I like how I gave a perfectly truthful answer to the question and I'm being downvoted to oblivion. A lot of contempt for tradespeople, I guess. I went to high school with people who became electricians and they…
As preferable as WFH is for many and as productive as many people can be while working remote, at the end of the day, you can't change human nature. There is a reason why companies like Google are doubling down in Silicon Valley real estate. They believe that the best, most innovative type of work are the results of organic discussions and unscheduled, unplanned, casual human interactions. So many cool ideas and new…
With that in mind, I wonder why people can't succeed in the same way while WFH, and I conclude it is other people which wreck it.
I'm prepping a side project for launch at the moment, and if I ever hire, it will be for a company whose internal communications are all text based. I strongly suspect this will prevent me from ever relying on old world extroverts whose MO amounts to nepotism.