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I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

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Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

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post #71

This post might have been less profoundly slimy had it not proudly reeled off emails from customers who actually did take time out of their day to write their replies, thinking that some form of person-to-person communication had already been established. Look at all these suckers who took the bait! Just think what automatic catfishing could do for your business! Now, if only you could automate the second layer and k…

Next week on Show HN: a subscription service that allows consumers to send "convincingly" "personal" automatic replies to fool companies into thinking this s** actually works.

Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

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Personal and social bounds on the ethics of sincerity are interesting to explore.

Does a deep-faked video thank-you from the CEO feel more or less sincere than other long-established gestures?

1. Flowers organised by assistants with a card signed “by the CEO” without their knowledge or involvement. (“Thank you for the flowers!” “The flowers? Oh, yes. The flowers.”)

2. An assistant PMing everyone individually on a company Slack channel from the CEO's account to say how _deeply valued_ they are as a SincereApp employee.

3. Thank-yous ghost-written by professional writers bearing another's signature. (Freelance letter writing exists already, although not to the extent that it's portrayed in _Her_ where lovers, family members and professional colleagues hire Joaquin Phoenix as Theodore Twombly to write their personal correspondence and love notes for 20 years straight.)

4. Professional actors or celebrities congratulating strangers they don't know. (Already exists at https://www.cameo.com/.)

5. Handwritten notes from company employees thanking you for your belief in their company, when handwriting a note is a to-do on a packing and shipping checklist.

6. Mailmerged printed marketing proclaiming, “You're our favourite customer, [name]!”

All of these feign sincerity to some degree.

The difference with the deepfaked video thankery linked here is that it's not well-known to be fake yet.

There will be an initial period where people are impressed by it (they sent flowers!), then disappointed, betrayed, and tricked to learn that the gesture was automated.

Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

#83

This seems at least a little unethical. At the very least, I would think worse of a company that sent a video to me that seemed personalized, but later turned out to be mass-produced. He has an ethics section in the article, but doesn't doesn't go very deep and (unsurprisingly) concludes that his own actions were perfectly fine. The root of the problem is why customers respond well to these videos: they're surprised…

I was just re-watching "Westworld" recently, and there's a moment when Aaron Paul's character Caleb is having a telephone conversation with a sympathetic HR employee who tells him that he didn't get the job. "Listen, Caleb. Your application was very strong. Unfortunately, our strategy group just hasn't found an opening for you." Caleb sighs, and says nothing. The HR employee gently asks, "Caleb, are you still with me…

I recently received a telemarketing robocall that had a convincingly human voice.

It did polite social chitchat quite well.

But there were a few tell-tale signs: the bot would never interrupt or overlap my talking. It would always wait until I finished speaking to parse my speech, and its pauses were very consistent and slightly longer than what was natural.

When I asked it if it were a robot, it replied, "(giggle) why, do I sound like a robot?"

When I threw it a few unconventional questions, it quickly became clear that there was a script.

Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Really, I think this is doing a sort of trust arbitrage. The tech exists to fake personal videos now, but customers aren't widely aware of it. You can take advantage of that difference with stunts like this. In a few years, people will know this can easily be done and the value of personal videos will drop. At some point it'll be no different to the average customer than an email with "Hi !" or a letter with faux-ha…

Agreed. That said, I would argue that this specific practice will become more ethical over time (as the arbitrage opportunity disappears). Once customers are aware of the practice, the trust difference fades, and the deception goes away. 10 years from now, this practice will be equivalent to claiming "Famous Fishtoaster's has the best fish toast in the world": it's a lie, but one that all parties know is false so no…

> But yeah, it will be a societal cost: one less thing we can trust. Just like "photos don't lie" went out the window with widespread photoshopping, so will trust in personalized videos.

But video is the final frontier of digital trust. Once photos, video, and audio can no longer be trusted, what will people trust?

Digital cynicism will become total.

Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're throwing him under the bus because this is a pretty recent phenomenon. Before email became so "personalized" I'd never get an email mentioning me by name and if I did it was from people who I knew personally. This all changed once marketers starting using "Hey $firstname," now I have no idea if this is from someone who knows me personally or from someone has my name in a massive db. The fact that there is no d…

This makes me feel the same way that those "on purpose casual" marketing emails make me feel. "Tired of your awful insurance. Like ugh, us too! Insurance can be like, so heckin lame sometimes. Let me let you know about [INSURANCE BRAND] ... " That stuff is absolutely psychotic and is an instant red flag. Just say "Buy this insurance, it's cheap and has features x y z w" and be done with it. I'm not your bff. This is…

Good rant. I agree.

Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

#86
post #71

This post might have been less profoundly slimy had it not proudly reeled off emails from customers who actually did take time out of their day to write their replies, thinking that some form of person-to-person communication had already been established. Look at all these suckers who took the bait! Just think what automatic catfishing could do for your business! Now, if only you could automate the second layer and k…

Next week on Show HN: a subscription service that allows consumers to send "convincingly" "personal" automatic replies to fool companies into thinking this s** actually works.

I like it. With advanced enough technology we may be able to completely automate the process of driving customer engagement and the process of being an engaged customer. That writhing ouroboros could generate trillions of dollars in pretend value.

Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

#87
One day we'll be opening “personal messages” from CEOs and feeling no more special or warm inside than we do from the “happy birthday!” phpBB emails we get from long-forgotten forums on the day we pretended was our birthday for security reasons.

And, let's be real, that day is probably tomorrow now that we all know the SaaS [Sincerity As A Service] industry 2.0 exists.

Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if the process is automated, if the end result is to evoke a nice sentiment in someone, is that really a bad thing? Yes, because it only evokes a nice sentiment if you lie about how it was made. Magic tricks are still fun even if you know they're tricks. This is not at all fun once you know it's a trick.

The fun is in the novelty, not in the . Even if it's inherently considered dishonest by some, the same should be vigorously argued for all email/snail mail you have received for decades and frankly I can't remember the last time I've seen someone complain about a personalized email being dishonest.

While I also recognize the valid argument that this is deceptive, I have to agree with you:

1. In no world would I ever believe that a cold email was significantly personalized/targeted, except if the overall content were highly specific to me. This might be wrong a good portion of the time, but it is what it is.

2. Even if I were 100% unaware of the existence of AI/ML, a video wouldn't change my mind about #1. I would be more inclined to think that they'd recorded themselves rattling off a list of customer names and then stitched that into the main video, or just rerecorded the same video hundreds or thousands of times. The latter would take some dedication, and be a pretty big waste of time, but it wouldn't convince me that the sender knows or cares more about me personally.

3. Including a video message in an email in itself is uncommon in and of itself, personalized or not. If the technique increases conversions, this alone could be a sufficient explanation. To the extent that the personalization does further increase conversions, it's equally valid to hypothesize that a novel tech demo catches their attention as it is to hypothesize that people are being deceived. Personally, I would lean toward the former.

As an aside, even in the promotional video on Windsor's home page, the videos are kind of uncanny valley. May not be a big deal if the recipient doesn't think too much of one word being slightly garbled because the remaining speech sounds natural, but I'd be concerned about it completely butchering some names (particularly longer ones).

Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

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Similarly there is a phenomenal company called HandWrytten. It uses robots to write thank you cards with ink pens. I upload a spreadsheet of all of my contacts, with a message for each, and the robot beautifully writes out the card in my own handwriting; personal hand writing is an extra fee. Takes about an hour for 155 contacts. I keep up with hundreds of people in my job and something personal like this really goes…

They have Jefferson's polygraph at the Smithsonian, an idea before its time!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph_(duplicating_device)

Re: I sent over 10k personal thank you videos to my customers

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This is just Mail Merge 2.0 and it feels just as gross as companies trying to pretend they send "personalized" emails when it's all automated. I half-expected this to be a story about a new approach to support/outreach but no, it's just the newer version of "Hey $firstName!". It's astounding to me that the founder not only did this but then wrote a blog article bragging about it as if this was good idea. Clearly the…

I agree, he is just enlarging the "Uncanny Valley" now to include fake personal videos. The effect will be to devalue any video greeting in the same way that email is now suspect.
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