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In this specific instance the consumer is being done a favor by being prevented from buying terrible prebuilts, but the law is absurd.
Whats is wrong with dell gaming desktops ?
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What's wrong with the prebuilts? Price vs performance?
You pay more for less than if you did it yourself and it isn't hard to find where they've cut corners to lower their costs. But also critically the people buying pre-builts are obviously not interested in doing it themselves. That is why the market exists, right? So like its fun for more serious people to dunk on them in Youtube videos or whatever but I think its something pretty overblown. Also if you're really will…
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Still a very annoying law because it prevents you from enabling stuff like wake-on-lan on modern PCs. You have to turn off all the power compliance toggles in the BIOS or it will power off the NIC and break a bunch of other stuff. If the vendor doesn't let you disable compliance mode, you're SoL. Idle PCs consume roughly 0% of the country's energy. If they wanna reduce it anyway, they should put an energy star sticke…
That is not accurate - take a look at Page 9 of the product compliance datasheet: https://downloads.dell.com/rdoc/dell%20alienware%20ryzen%20e... WOL and similar features do not change power consumption and this is not where the listed PC's fail. They fail on idle/standby power consumption and to be clear - there is NO reason they have to. Similar spec'd PC's can be purchased that meet these requirements.
I'm sure similar PCs meet the requirements, and I'm also sure they're more expensive on average because they are newer. Too bad consumers are not allowed to make choises for themselves.
Previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27954946 The top comment explains why this is probably a good thing.
Sounds like gun laws. As long as the grip on the gun is shaped in a certain way, it's no longer an illegal assault rifle.
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Not to mention meat is only 3% of emissions in the U.S. (of which the U.S. is the largest producer of emissions on a per capita basis). So if these gaming computers are a few orders of magnitude less than that (at idle speeds) it shows how ridiculous this is. Not to mention that these systems will just be shipped to the other 44 states (they aren't exactly dismantling them) so it's really just shuffling the problem e…
>it shows how ridiculous this is Does it? If the other comment is to be believed, this law bans high end PCs which use more than 11W while in sleep mode. This is an absurd amount of power to draw. Most devices use less than 1W in sleep mode. Using so much power shows extremely inefficient design. If this law can cause companies to fix their buggy firmware this could result in a massive power savings with virtually no…
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Workstation hardware can be used for desktop gaming and any PC can be used for workstation tasks. There's no good reason to treat them differently under the law when the specifics of how they're different are very arbitrary.
They're marketed as gaming PCs. Why shouldn't they be regulated according to their intended purpose?
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How is that determined? Few PCs draw much power when idle. A dual-monitor flat screen setup probably draws more than most idle computers (but yet not in power saving state).
This is for prebuilt machines. Seems pretty easy to test. Turn the thing on, put it in sleep mode, then record the power draw from the PC PSU. Monitors are not included.
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Are they? With cryptocurrencies I can at least conduct commerce. With gaming PCs, I can... play violent videogames?
Shorting a market is not commerce but thanks for LARPing.