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Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by lambdaba »

sebmellen wrote: post #71
lambdaba wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope this is taken the right way, but have you tried "vitamins" (broadly speaking)? Some I have seen with specific effects: Niacin, Black Seed Oil (Nigella Sativa), Magnesium megadoses, etc. etc. Don't dismiss these as "quack medicines", I've recovered from severe chronic illness thanks to some of these... I could expand if people ask, but really it's quite easy, especially for the HN crowd, to level-up rapidly on…

I am not sure what I think of your comment, but I think it at least deserves discussion. I have used said supplements before. In fact, I have a close friend who is very enamored with supplements and has about 50 different pill bottles in his medicine drawer. Out of curiosity, I once spent two weeks taking about 25 pills a day at his recommendation, and I'm afraid they did not do very much for me — at least that I cou…

The experience you're describing doesn't disqualify supplements, you say you've taken "25 [random] pills", this is not what I'm advocating. There are various supplements, be it vitamins or plant extracts, that have definite medicinal effects. It should go without saying, really.

For illustration, just go on pubmed and search for "nigella sativa" (black seed oil).

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by _ykl9 »

FiReaNG3L wrote: post #20
abystander wrote: post #8

Since they claim a quarter of patients are showing symptoms and one of those is depression - how do they separate the out the effect of the de facto criminalization of social activity, an innate human behavior ingrained in our DNA after millions of years of evolution? You'd get significant depression in solitary confinement too.

No idea why you're getting downvoted - they have no control group and as you say there's 'depression' in their symptoms they count for. I'm pretty sure 'depression' (which I'm sure they don't count as clinically depressed, but 'im feeling more depressed') went up significantly in the whole population last year. Also PLoS one is basically not peer reviewed - they accept every paper after a short review.

No idea why you're getting downvoted

Speculation: conflation of his reasonable and factual statement with the ostensibly similar far-right talking point that the cure (social distancing) is worse than the disease.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by caturopath »

abystander wrote: post #8

Since they claim a quarter of patients are showing symptoms and one of those is depression - how do they separate the out the effect of the de facto criminalization of social activity, an innate human behavior ingrained in our DNA after millions of years of evolution? You'd get significant depression in solitary confinement too.

> how do they separate the out the effect of the de facto criminalization of social activity, an innate human behavior ingrained in our DNA after millions of years of evolution?

Presumably you can tease that out to some degree by comparing to folks who didn't have COVID.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by tguvot »

iammisc wrote: post #41
manmal wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you try NAC? Maybe worth a shot - this paper is about „long EBV/mono“ which might have similar mechanisms: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29228057/ > These data support the idea that NAC could be considered as a treatment to alleviate chronic inflammatory pathologies, including post-viral disease

NAC is illegal in the USA now. Thank you FDA.

not really illegal. seems to be sold on iherb

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by mikewarot »

I'm fairly certain I've had it as well. I had coworkers who were confirmed to have had it, and I got sick. This was back before testing was widely available. I've since tested negative for active infection (last June), and been vaccinated (March 2021).

I have almost no endurance. A trip to the store shopping for groceries, and getting them back in the house, and put away, is about all I can do for a day.

The long term consequences of Covid are just starting to be recognized. I wonder how many people are going to end up on disability.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by CarelessExpert »

FiReaNG3L wrote: post #20
abystander wrote: post #8

Since they claim a quarter of patients are showing symptoms and one of those is depression - how do they separate the out the effect of the de facto criminalization of social activity, an innate human behavior ingrained in our DNA after millions of years of evolution? You'd get significant depression in solitary confinement too.

No idea why you're getting downvoted - they have no control group and as you say there's 'depression' in their symptoms they count for. I'm pretty sure 'depression' (which I'm sure they don't count as clinically depressed, but 'im feeling more depressed') went up significantly in the whole population last year. Also PLoS one is basically not peer reviewed - they accept every paper after a short review.

Because the entire comment is clearly phrased to be antagonistic? "de facto criminalization of social activity"? Are they trying to troll people? Because that's how you troll people.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by IAmGraydon »

quenix wrote: post #59
halotrope wrote: post #39

Is it possible to have an asymptomatic primary infection and still suffer long covid? Antigen tests where negative but ever since last fall I feel weird symptoms that I never had for any length of time. Stuff like trouble spelling, complete lack of concentration, difficulties comprehending things when trying to actively learn and a general feeling of confusion and exhaustion. I tend to just assume a general state of…

Supposedly, the risk of long COVID is not correlated to the severity of symptoms. That’s a bad thing.

Yes, but is it even correlated to Covid? This study lacks a control group, so we don't know.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by clairity »

jacquesm wrote: post #70
usaphp wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you were never tested for covid? How do you know if it was covid ?

Because I'm not a complete idiot. - pandemic in progress: check - risky lifestyle: check (as in very frequent air travel for work) - symptoms: O2 level drop, fluid in lungs, persistent cough, extreme tiredness, dizzyness, loss of smell/taste check all of these, and the rest, fortunately not. Later on: crazy beating heart for no particular reason, losing weight steadily but more slowly now. Decision not to test was ma…

> “Because I'm not a complete idiot.”

yah, it’s the partial idiots who are hard to discern. complete idiots are the easiest to dismiss out of hand.

many infections have long lasting effects. you’d need to systematically rule them out/in via testing to be as certain as you claim to be.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by abz10 »

lambdaba wrote: post #56
mygoodaccount wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another one here (Woman, 24 y.o.). Contracted COVID, had a terrible three-weeks of infection. Nine months later, I am having weekly heart palpitations, I'm constantly fatigued and fogged in the mind and my lung capacity is half what it used to be - I now require an inhaler to go on my runs. I know several women my age experiencing far worse. Long COVID should not be ignored.

I hope this is taken the right way, but have you tried "vitamins" (broadly speaking)? Some I have seen with specific effects: Niacin, Black Seed Oil (Nigella Sativa), Magnesium megadoses, etc. etc. Don't dismiss these as "quack medicines", I've recovered from severe chronic illness thanks to some of these... I could expand if people ask, but really it's quite easy, especially for the HN crowd, to level-up rapidly on…

Megadose B3 2000mg per day does seem to be commonly effective. The theory is NAD+. Gives me a headache so an aspirin is needed as well but was one of the first treatments that pulled me out of fatigue.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by perlgeek »

iammisc wrote: post #49

When my first daughter was born in 2018, I had a respiratory infection. It lasted three months before I went in to the doctor. I hesitated to seek medical advice because it was clearly viral. But the cough was so bad it was causing the newborn to wake up. The doctor (at a walk-in clinic) told me viral respiratory infections can last months and there's nothing you can do. Just wait. HE gave me some pills to stop the c…

With a "normal" viral cough, the infection itself lasts that long. With Long Covid, the viral load is gone from your system, and symptoms still persist

Previously, the general public wasn't very interested in chronic, unspecific symptoms that people have or had (google Chronic Fatigue Syndrome; it's a collection of people feeling fatigue, have concentration issues etc. similar to Long Covid, many long before COVID-19 was a thing). With Covid, there are too many to ignore, so such things are now getting more attention.

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