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Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by gpm »

ElViajero wrote: post #26
jacquesm wrote: post #3

One of those cases here. Symptoms: suddenly out of energy, occasionally suddenly being unable to spell, even mild physical exercise leaves me floored (and I was pretty fit for my age prior to this). So, 17 months in: it's still not back to where it used to be but if you think of it in terms of trends instead of absolutes it is definitely still improving. The downs are less far down, the fog is lifting and the energy…

I got CoVid in Osaka at the beginning of November 2019. The symptoms lasted around 5 months. I got it again in May 2021 and this time I was fully recovered in 3 weeks. I got vaccinated, even during the second infection I felt extremely tired and slightly confused, I want to minimize as much as possible the risk of repeating again. update: For all the down-votes. Time will say. But "A new study shows that first cases…

> in Osaka at the beginning of November 2019

On what basis do you believe this was covid-19 and not some other disease?

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by abystander »

emodendroket wrote: post #29
FiReaNG3L wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea why you're getting downvoted - they have no control group and as you say there's 'depression' in their symptoms they count for. I'm pretty sure 'depression' (which I'm sure they don't count as clinically depressed, but 'im feeling more depressed') went up significantly in the whole population last year. Also PLoS one is basically not peer reviewed - they accept every paper after a short review.

That part is fine but the part where he instead diagnoses everyone with having been driven crazy by the (by implication misguided) coronavirus response is not really thoughtful in my opinion.

> the part where he instead diagnoses everyone with having been driven crazy [...] is not really thoughtful

I said you could expect "significant" depression if there's de facto (in some countries de jure) criminalizing of social activity.

I think you're the one who's not being thoughtful about characterizing arguments here.

I believe the policy is often misguided/short-sighted but I never said that, you're extrapolating that valid criticism of the policy would be a discredit for officials.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by kvnn »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

One of those cases here. Symptoms: suddenly out of energy, occasionally suddenly being unable to spell, even mild physical exercise leaves me floored (and I was pretty fit for my age prior to this). So, 17 months in: it's still not back to where it used to be but if you think of it in terms of trends instead of absolutes it is definitely still improving. The downs are less far down, the fog is lifting and the energy…

Have you seen this strategy for Long Covid? https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover...

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by Retric »

elzbardico wrote: post #27

Self-reported symptoms. And now we will have the litany of hypochondriacs that didn't even got tested for SARS-COV-2 but swear they have some misterious long term viral syndrome that in the real world, if it really exists, is extremely rare. The trash that passes as science nowadays.....

1 in 4 people are not Hypochondriacs. Medical research is used to the way people play up symptoms and this is well above the noise floor.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by samatman »

ghastmaster wrote: post #22
seriousquestion wrote: post #18

Correct me if wrong, but this doesn't appear to have a non-Covid-19 control group? This study on Long Covid found there was no statistical difference between teenagers that had Covid compared to those that didn't. Suggesting that these symptoms may be getting entangled and misattributed. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.11.21257037v...

If you read through the limitations section of the report, you will find they covered this along with several other limitations of the study.

When a study has unsurmountable limitations, which make it impossible to usefully reason about the "results" of the study, is being frank about those limitations more useful to society than not publishing the study?

To me the obvious answer is "no, you toss it in the bin, or better yet you think for awhile and don't perform the useless study", but opinions can differ here.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by DeRock »

ElViajero wrote: post #26
jacquesm wrote: post #3

One of those cases here. Symptoms: suddenly out of energy, occasionally suddenly being unable to spell, even mild physical exercise leaves me floored (and I was pretty fit for my age prior to this). So, 17 months in: it's still not back to where it used to be but if you think of it in terms of trends instead of absolutes it is definitely still improving. The downs are less far down, the fog is lifting and the energy…

I got CoVid in Osaka at the beginning of November 2019. The symptoms lasted around 5 months. I got it again in May 2021 and this time I was fully recovered in 3 weeks. I got vaccinated, even during the second infection I felt extremely tired and slightly confused, I want to minimize as much as possible the risk of repeating again. update: For all the down-votes. Time will say. But "A new study shows that first cases…

> I got CoVid in Osaka at the beginning of November 2019.

Impossible, cases did not appear in Wuhan until mid-late November. You must have had some other flu/virus.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by bb2018 »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

One of those cases here. Symptoms: suddenly out of energy, occasionally suddenly being unable to spell, even mild physical exercise leaves me floored (and I was pretty fit for my age prior to this). So, 17 months in: it's still not back to where it used to be but if you think of it in terms of trends instead of absolutes it is definitely still improving. The downs are less far down, the fog is lifting and the energy…

I do wonder if this is proportional to your symptoms/proportional to other ailments.

For instance, is someone with Covid (who was on the verge of needing oxygen) more likely to have long term symptoms than someone the same age who got the flu/pneumonia (and was also on the verge of needing oxygen).

In other words - is there something unique about Covid? Or is that any disease that sets you back has serious long-term consequences, and Covid is just statistically much more likely to do that than the flu, for example.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by IAmGraydon »

eganist wrote: post #6
IAmGraydon wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You were tested and diagnosed with Covid in January 2020?

> You were tested and diagnosed with Covid in January 2020? 17 months ago would be mid february 2020.

Sorry you're correct - Feb 13, 2020.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by halotrope »

Is it possible to have an asymptomatic primary infection and still suffer long covid? Antigen tests where negative but ever since last fall I feel weird symptoms that I never had for any length of time. Stuff like trouble spelling, complete lack of concentration, difficulties comprehending things when trying to actively learn and a general feeling of confusion and exhaustion. I tend to just assume a general state of exhaustion or slight burnout after a pretty intense year. Reading long-covid experiences makes me wonder tough.

Edit: spelling…

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