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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by crooked-v »

rayiner wrote: post #75
azifali wrote: post #21

As a progressive Muslim - I believe both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist, and thrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the state of Israel has now become a needless oppressor and are content building an apartheid state without learning from the past.

As a conservative former Muslim: As long as Palestinians chant “from the river to the sea” and tolerate Hamas any talk about a two state solution is a joke. By not rejecting Hamas, Palestinians make themselves a military problem rather than a civil rights issue. You don’t give civil rights to people who are military threat. This isn’t a point about morality, but the simple reality of nations protecting themselves. If…

Unchecked illegal settlement makes anti-Israeli sentiment inevitable. If the obvious outcome of playing by the rules is losing all their land and livelihood anyway, people won't play by the rules.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by jedimind »

dang wrote: post #77
jedimind wrote: post #71

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Sorry dang, which part is name calling tho?

"infantile reasoning at its finest"

The reasoning is objectively infantile I doubt that anyone can argue against that. I didn't say that he is infantile, I criticised the reasoning not the person. Sorry if even that is considered 'name calling'. I can edit it and word it differently if you want.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by luffapi »

tartoran wrote: post #70
luffapi wrote: post #57

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I’d urge people not to give up caring. There’s a lot of crappy things happening in the world and it can be a lot to deal with, but just tossing your hands up isn’t the answer. I’d also argue that tax paying Americans are obligated to care. Our money is funding Israel’s crimes and we are morally culpable if we don’t resist or try to change policy.

Yes, I am aware of that and do care for justice but am afraid to talk abour it IRL to be honest. To be publically acused of antisemitism for being critical to Israel could be a real nightmare Im not ready to go through. I am no antisemitist, on the contrary, some of my favorite people are jewish. Am I a coward? I think so but I have a family and want to hold onto my job. Here on HN I am not afraid to comment because…

I agree this is a real issue. Even if it’s just voicing support under a pseudonym (such as I’ve done here), it’s better than nothing. The younger generations are definitely more aware of the issues Palestinians are facing and more vocal about putting an end to it. That offers me some hope.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by 2939223 »

let_me_ask_this wrote: post #79
xupybd wrote: post #52

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It is hard to say Israel has less right to the land it took over than say New Zealand. The main difference is how long ago the settling happened.

In that case Israel should follow New Zealand's example and allow all Palestinians to become citizens, with full rights, stop being an ethnostate for Jews, stop with the racism and start behaving like the progressive country they pretend to be.

Such behaviour conflicts with a core tenet of Judaism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by jedimind »

thera2 wrote: post #80
jedimind wrote: post #71

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Sorry dang, which part is name calling tho?

I'm a nobody but I didnt see anything wrong with the comment. Its pointing out the illogical idea of caring for a cause only because others cared. I'm sure this is a big problem today with social media. People (generally speaking) just want to fit in, they have no real motivation to support a good cause at their own expense.

Thanks for the feedback. I specifically targeted the reasoning and not the person, I thought it was odd that it's still considered 'name calling'.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by crooked-v »

TX0098812 wrote: post #48
crooked-v wrote: post #27

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Peace is unlikely as long as settlers continue to claim Palestinean land and force them out of their own homes, considering what an obvious mockery this makes of any kind of negotiations even for those Palestineans who do actively want peace.

And similarly peace isn't possible while the wall is there. Although the reason it was built was because there wasn't peace. And so on about a thousand years back.

The most obvious thing that motivates Palestineans to actively be violent rather than living in misery (and people can take a lot of misery) is that ongoing settlement and similar measures make it clear that the Israeli government wouldn't actually let them live in peace even if they wanted it.

Or, in other words, I believe that Hamas would have much less pull if it was just walls and not all the other stuff too.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

jedimind wrote: post #82
dang wrote: post #77

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"infantile reasoning at its finest"

The reasoning is objectively infantile I doubt that anyone can argue against that. I didn't say that he is infantile, I criticised the reasoning not the person. Sorry if even that is considered 'name calling'. I can edit it and word it differently if you want.

This feels like hair-splitting to me. Your comment obviously broke the site guidelines. If you'd please re-read them and do a more careful job of sticking to the rules, we'd appreciate it. Note this one, for example:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by nextstep »

Jillian C. York’s book “Silicon Values” has a chapter about this “electronic apartheid”. For all of the big social media companies, the content moderation for both Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories is handled by the Israeli office.

https://www.versobooks.com/books/3772-silicon-values

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

jedimind wrote: post #82
dang wrote: post #77

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"infantile reasoning at its finest"

The reasoning is objectively infantile I doubt that anyone can argue against that. I didn't say that he is infantile, I criticised the reasoning not the person. Sorry if even that is considered 'name calling'. I can edit it and word it differently if you want.

Criticising somebody's behaviour as “characteristic of an infant” is very easy to read as a personal attack; I think it's best to edit it.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by mcguire »

tiku wrote: post #6

"For months, the 23-year-old el-Kurd twins had become the faces of Palestinian resistance in Sheikh Jarrah, broadcasting on Twitter and Instagram how they and seven other families refused to be forcibly expelled from their homes by Israeli settlers. " So there was not really a problem with social media then. I am hearing that recordings of violence got silenced, thats not weird. If i post a violent video of something…

"One of the charges brought against them was that “their nationalistic sentiment” posed a threat to “state security.”"
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