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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by yuvalr1 »

ardit33 wrote: post #40

Wow... this comment section is proving the point of the article. This was posted last night as well and got flagged right away. The discussion is important as it is about Tech platforms deciding to side with Israel and silencing Palestinians in social media and they have no recourse. We have had plenty of discussions here about social media censorship (especially during covid and trump era). This is a valid discussio…

This comment section really proves what is being silenced. Just look for the voices that are not being represented here.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by xupybd »

DoctorNick wrote: post #28
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

Americans are more prone to this kind of thing because they're already used to overriding settler-colonial propaganda influencing their mindset; Zionist propaganda is just another flavor.

It is hard to say Israel has less right to the land it took over than say New Zealand. The main difference is how long ago the settling happened.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by hoka-one-one »

werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

Jews are not white so by definition they can't be racist. Racism has to do with systemic power structures. Most of the problems in the middle east have been caused by white colonialism.

What's going on between Jews and Palestinians is warfare that sometimes gets out of hand. That's distinct from racism.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by selimthegrim »

rayiner wrote: post #43
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews. Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being he…

They don't seem to care much about the stranded Biharis on their doorstep either AFAIK.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by crooked-v »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #44
luffapi wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peace is not possible on occupied land or in an apartheid state.

Technically, it is (in some circumstances): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_independence_movement#F...

Those circumstances are pretty unlike these ones, though, in that they involved (among other things) the UK being badly over-strained in every possible way in the aftermath of WW2, India being large enough and relatively untouched enough from WW2 to be increasingly ungovernable, and an independent India being little to no threat to the UK despite those first two factors.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

hoka-one-one wrote: post #53
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

Jews are not white so by definition they can't be racist. Racism has to do with systemic power structures. Most of the problems in the middle east have been caused by white colonialism. What's going on between Jews and Palestinians is warfare that sometimes gets out of hand. That's distinct from racism.

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Please don't create accounts to troll HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by luffapi »

rayiner wrote: post #43
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews. Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being he…

I’d urge people not to give up caring. There’s a lot of crappy things happening in the world and it can be a lot to deal with, but just tossing your hands up isn’t the answer.

I’d also argue that tax paying Americans are obligated to care. Our money is funding Israel’s crimes and we are morally culpable if we don’t resist or try to change policy.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by tiku »

crooked-v wrote: post #27
underseacables wrote: post #16

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Peace is unlikely as long as settlers continue to claim Palestinean land and force them out of their own homes, considering what an obvious mockery this makes of any kind of negotiations even for those Palestineans who do actively want peace.

As my original comment was immediatly flagged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Jarrah_property_dispute

There was a court case that ruled that they have to be evicted because of not paying rent.

"In response, the owners of the property (a private Israeli NGO, Nahalat Shimon), claim they have the legal title to the property in question and that, in the absence of rent being paid by the tenants, the tenants ought to be evicted for breaching the law."

So it's not some hayfork/violent spur of the moment thing. Ownership is somewhat regulated and can be fought in court.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by DoctorNick »

xupybd wrote: post #52
DoctorNick wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans are more prone to this kind of thing because they're already used to overriding settler-colonial propaganda influencing their mindset; Zionist propaganda is just another flavor.

It is hard to say Israel has less right to the land it took over than say New Zealand. The main difference is how long ago the settling happened.

Yes, that's correct.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

bsd44 wrote: post #49

People seem to believe that if you bury your head in the sand, nobody can see you. Just because you don't talk about something openly it does not imply that the discussion doesn't happen at all. It happens in closed circles which just fuels the hatred towards the censorship and those who enforce it. You can't forbid people to think and have opinions. What is the point of flagging this entry? You either introduce a po…

I'm not sure I follow this comment, but this bit is definitely wrong:

> You either introduce a policy that forbids posting political issues on HN entirely or you don't

I've explained at length why neither of those approaches is viable on HN. Here are some of those past explanations:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902490

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....

If anyone has a question that hasn't been answered there, I'd like to know what it is, and if you know a better way for HN to relate to political topics while fulfilling its mandate, I'd definitely like to know what it is. Just please familiarize yourself with the past explanations first, because if it's something simple like "just ban politics" or "just allow everything", I've answered many times already why it won't work.

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