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Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by 01GOD »

yehosef wrote: post #72
jgb1984 wrote: post #52

Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.

>Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. The most famous commentary on the Torah (Rashi) begins when the question of why the Torah begins with the story of Creation and not with the first law the Jews were given Rashi says: "For should the peoples of the world say to Israel, “You are robbers, because you took by force the lands of the seve…

I wrote a book that says jews aren’t allowed to breathe and that jews are required to give ME anything I want.

So do that RIGHT NOW!!!

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by dang »

ireallydontcar3 wrote: post #79
dang wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This account" means "the account I'm currently replying to". No, of course the guidelines aren't specific that way. Not all political posts are off topic, but everyone needs to follow the site guidelines, and the rules apply more, not less, as a topic gets more divisive: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . That does not mean that every post that breaks the site guidelines gets moderated, though, for t…

To be clear, you can go ahead and ban whatever accounts you’d like. This thread is currently trending on the front page, and it’s as political as this post. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27646686 But that thread hasn’t been flagged, nor are you going out of your way to ban posters in that thread. But the account you replied to was mine, and you’re banning me because the Israel Palestine issue seems to be censu…

Did you not notice that the very same Israel/Palestine article has just been on HN's front page for many hours?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27645282

There were multiple submissions of the article. More explanation at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27647873. I hope you'll notice that the truth is exactly the opposite of how you perceived this.

I banned you because you broke the site guidelines egregiously. It has zero to do with what the topic happened to be. The topic could have been type inference, Oreo cookies, chess ratings—that's not the high-order bit. What's not ok is posting in a way that destroys this place for its intended purpose. The ecosystem here is fragile. Comments like what you posted destroy it. We need to protect it. That's all that's happening here.

You're far from the only person doing that, and we try to be as fair and even-handed as we possibly can. I know we don't do it perfectly. But https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27643425 was hardly a borderline call.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by baybal2 »

adventured wrote: post #11
grecy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that HN is regularly read (and commented on) by some of the top minds in world IT, I personally feel it would be a travesty simply not to mention some of the biggest issues and topics facing the world today. I personally feel there's nothing more important than engaging those high profile and influential minds on these big issues if we have any hope of solving or at least improving them.

While I have no issue with controversial posts on HN - high profile, influential tech minds have zero influence over the Israel-Palestine matter. The same is true for many controversial topics. The President of the United States and Congress barely have any influence over what goes on between Israel and Palestine. Zuckerberg can't influence the Israel-Palestine context one bit, and he has $100 billion in wealth and c…

> Zuckerberg can't influence the Israel-Palestine context one bit

He can! $100B is enough to buy god knows how much Kalashnikovs, and ammunition.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by dragonwriter »

adventured wrote: post #11
grecy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that HN is regularly read (and commented on) by some of the top minds in world IT, I personally feel it would be a travesty simply not to mention some of the biggest issues and topics facing the world today. I personally feel there's nothing more important than engaging those high profile and influential minds on these big issues if we have any hope of solving or at least improving them.

While I have no issue with controversial posts on HN - high profile, influential tech minds have zero influence over the Israel-Palestine matter. The same is true for many controversial topics. The President of the United States and Congress barely have any influence over what goes on between Israel and Palestine. Zuckerberg can't influence the Israel-Palestine context one bit, and he has $100 billion in wealth and c…

> The President of the United States and Congress barely have any influence over what goes on between Israel and Palestine.

They could, they just always, in recent decades, choose to use it in very nearly the same way, with very slight variations.

I mean, the Congress and the Preident together could, on the one hand, declare war on Palestine (either the widely-but-not-US-recognized State of Palestine, or Hamas, or both) on some pretext and radically change the context.

Or, on the other side, they could recognize and arm the State of Palestine, stop all aid and arms sales to Israel, stop vetoing every Security Council resolution that Israel doesn’t like, and sign a defense pact with the State of Palestine.

They don’t do those things because they don’t choose to, but that’s not a lack of power but a lack of sufficient interest and desire in changing the outcome.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by [deleted] »

jgb1984 wrote: post #52

Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.

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Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by arcanon »

dang wrote: post #69
arcanon wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Awesome comment about technology. Clearly this is the right forum for it……………

HN is explicitly about much more than just "technology". Please read the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I feel like you linked me to something that proved my point. This seems like politics without evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. How much time has been spent moderating around this? Was it worth it?

Anyways i hope rick and morty succeed in their mission tonight.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by proshno »

ridiculous_leke wrote: post #61
ireallydontcar3 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gaslighting is a bit ridiculous. The occupation in places like Gaza isn’t a secret. Your posts are comical.

Isn't Gaza ruled by Hamas?

LOL…do you even know who created Hamas and why? Please take a look at this WSJ article on the history: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847

The gist is Israel never wanted to have two-state solution. When PLO agreed to this solution, Israel wanted bolster instability among Palestinians, and that’s why Hamas is here. It’s basically serving Israeli purpose.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by dang »

Although this submission was posted earlier, the thread is so wretched as to be unsalvageable. Therefore the discussion moved to a repost:

The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27645282 - June 2021 (231 comments)

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by dang »

arcanon wrote: post #86
dang wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is explicitly about much more than just "technology". Please read the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I feel like you linked me to something that proved my point. This seems like politics without evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. How much time has been spent moderating around this? Was it worth it? Anyways i hope rick and morty succeed in their mission tonight.

I can't agree. The article touches on (relatively) interesting and new phenomena. This particular thread was a disaster, but the repost at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27645282 got at least some ok discussion.

Yes, it was a lot of moderation work, with mixed results. Was it worth it? I'm not sure what you mean. I think we made the right moderation call, given the site guidelines and standard moderation practices, and given that, the work was just the work.

Re: I am Palestinian. Here’s how Israel silences us on social media

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Post by 01GOD »

yehosef wrote: post #72
jgb1984 wrote: post #52

Israel is an apartheid state. Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Just like I can criticize the USA without hating Americans, or criticize Iran without discriminating against muslims.

>Stealing land and declaring a "jewish state" is no less criminal or insane than what isis / islamic state tried to do. The most famous commentary on the Torah (Rashi) begins when the question of why the Torah begins with the story of Creation and not with the first law the Jews were given Rashi says: "For should the peoples of the world say to Israel, “You are robbers, because you took by force the lands of the seve…

Thanks for posting that to show how f’ing nuts evil jews sadly are (and corrupt, delusional, etcetera]. “if we turn three circles and stand on our heads before killing semitic Palestinians, that is not murder because some nutso rabbi said so” is basically how some of that statement sounds.
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