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It is time for the governments to take control back and start regulating BigTech: you can not easily opt-out from any data gathering from Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, ... If you try it and turn it off on mobile phone and desktop you will constantly have issues and be flooded with messages like "turn on location services", etc. Yesterday I learned that my private calendar on my phone was replicated to Google Ca…
How is this possible? Probably forgot you gave consent to Google calendar?
New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete
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Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete
#82The most frustrating thing about these cookie banners (more like cookie lightboxes) is that almost none of them are compliant with the rules. Unfortunately I don't have time to find the source right now, but I'm pretty sure I've read official EU guidance docs clearly stating that many "dark patterns" are simply illegal. For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessa…
Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete
#83The most frustrating thing about these cookie banners (more like cookie lightboxes) is that almost none of them are compliant with the rules. Unfortunately I don't have time to find the source right now, but I'm pretty sure I've read official EU guidance docs clearly stating that many "dark patterns" are simply illegal. For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessa…
I have been building some sites where I have explicitly tried to remove or avoid cookies completely. It is really tricky as any third party script or embed can set cookies, which may be retained depending on browser version. We end up using generic cookie prompts just in case to appease corporate compliance even when nothing is usually set on the page. And the http nature of cookies make automating things much more d…
Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete
#84Why do they still think we want tracking cookies ? The ad industry should prepare for a future with no tracking instead of trying to survive with ever shadier tricks, IMO. This won't work: - browsers other than Chrome will say "no tracking" by default, tracking companies won't like that - websites will ignore this, this will be known and people will be upset even more - more javascript when we want less
When working in that industry, the cope is thinking people are ok with it, because it’s the “price” of free web content, and consumers are choosing it over anything with a paywall. I hope free software micropayments payperview can be part of the web! Maybe with GNU Taler or Offset by Freedomlayer[0] [0] https://www.offsetcredit.org/
I honestly think there’s a good case to be made for banning advertising entirely, and replacing it with a societal stipend for art and media, or at least restricting it to specific places. The back of newspapers, for example.
I’m sure there are plenty of problems with and arguments against the idea, but it’s definitely worth discussing
Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete
#85Reminder that we've already had a spec for it. In the 90s! And it even has been implemented in the Internet Explorer: https://www.w3.org/P3P/ It did absolutely nothing for privacy. Google has been sending bogus P3P headers that broke IE's implementation and allowed all cookies. Adtech companies don't want users to have an easy opt-out. They didn't want P3P. They didn't want DNT. They will not want this new spec, unle…
Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete
#86The most frustrating thing about these cookie banners (more like cookie lightboxes) is that almost none of them are compliant with the rules. Unfortunately I don't have time to find the source right now, but I'm pretty sure I've read official EU guidance docs clearly stating that many "dark patterns" are simply illegal. For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessa…
> For example making the "Accept all cookies" button require less effort than only accepting necessary cookies, which almost every page does. Like those that make you uncheck 10 or 20 entries one by one.
Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete
#87Why do they still think we want tracking cookies ? The ad industry should prepare for a future with no tracking instead of trying to survive with ever shadier tricks, IMO. This won't work: - browsers other than Chrome will say "no tracking" by default, tracking companies won't like that - websites will ignore this, this will be known and people will be upset even more - more javascript when we want less
> Why do they still think we want tracking cookies? Some people do. I would like to see relevant ads (of good special offers especially) if somebody could guarantee the ads are going to be humble and unintrusive), the goods advertised are of high quality and no-scam, the information they get from tracking can not be seen by any 3rd party (including legal authorities) and used for any purpose other than good recommend…
Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete
#88I've done some basic reading on GDPR but can't honestly say I have it completely figured out. Can someone help me out with a use case that I come across frequently? Selling tracking data to third parties is the kind of thing noone wants to actually opt in to, and what I imagine GDPR partially tries to combat. (among other things) What about site statistics keeping? If say a newspaper collects statistics about visitor…
You can collect statistics all you want if you anonymize data such as IP addresses. But you can't collect and store PII (or even aggregate data that can be used to identify a certain user, aka fingerprinting) without consent, or without having a legitimate reason.
By legitimate reason I mean that you can freely collect information that is strictly necessary for performing tasks expected by customers. For example, you don't need explicit consent to collect a customer's address for delivering a package via Post. You can also have a cookie for login without requiring "cookie banner". However, you can't repurpose data you collected legitimately for other purposes, such as sending spam.
(Please notice that legitimate reasons don't include anything marketing-related, spam, selling to third parties. "Legitimate interest" in GDPR means the legitimate interest of the customer, not of the business)
About fingerprinting, if it can be used to identify single users, it becomes PII. This means fingerprinting also falls into GDPR.
Re: New browser signal could make cookie banners obsolete
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is time for the governments to take control back and start regulating BigTech: you can not easily opt-out from any data gathering from Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, ... If you try it and turn it off on mobile phone and desktop you will constantly have issues and be flooded with messages like "turn on location services", etc. Yesterday I learned that my private calendar on my phone was replicated to Google Ca…
How is this possible? Probably forgot you gave consent to Google calendar?
Believe me, I would have opted out of this had I been prompted to do so during setup.