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Re: Onboarding with an M1

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As mentioned in the epilogue regarding single monitors, I feel that Apple was a little too silent regarding that limitation. It also caught me off guard especially as I purchased the LG 4K thunderbolt/usb-c monitors from the Apple website with the hope of connecting everything via daisy chain. I haven’t yet definitively found a DisplayLink hub that can output its video via thunderbolt and/or USB-C so whenever I see a…

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Re: Onboarding with an M1

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I’m not aware of anyone (except those using VMs) who are complaining about the memory. I personally went from 16gb to 8 and don’t miss it. Do you actually own/use an m1 Mac?

If it works for you, it works for you. However in 2021 I am not interested in a computer with less than 32GB ram. Sure, I could work around the limitations and close not in use programs/tabs to avoid going OOM, or using swap, but life is short and memory is cheap. I'd rather not have to worry about it.

I was similarly skeptical, but my old laptop died on me so I had to replace it. My M1 MacBook Pro is a better laptop for me as developer: my 16” 2019 MBP with 32GB of RAM I got from work has performance and memory issues (mostly too many open browser tabs) more frequently than my personal M1 laptop.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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I wonder how much extra work Apple is generating audio companies like Native Instruments.

I've been hoping for years that they would start supporting Linux, but I've settled with the fact that this won't happen.

If one year ago one would have asked NI if they plan to support ARM chips, they would probably have laughed at you, but I'm sure that they now have already started working on this, now that Apple has forced them to.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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I always wonder why ppl do not use MacPorts? There was a great article on HN which basically drew a pretty clear picture how brew can easily mess your system up. Yet, being a new Mac user, wherever I go, I only see a reference to brew installs. I am using M1 for a over a month and it’s been a very smooth ride so far. Installing everything via MacPorts where I only had an issue with rabbitmqd which failed to build bec…

I switched to Brew back in... oh, 2012 or 2013, I think, because I was sick of MacPorts breaking itself horribly during normal operations (installing/uninstalling) every 3-6 months. Brew’s huge package selection, rare breakage (sometimes on OS upgrades, usually easy to fix), decent UI, and ability to also manage nearly all the closed-source software I install, have kept me from bothering to look at MacPorts again.

Similar here. I'm sure MacPorts has improved since then and I should probably give it a spin next time I have a fresh macOS install, but back in the late 00s and early 10s not only did I have issues with it breaking itself, but also constant issues with packages not compiling/installing, or if they did crashing due to some dependency issue.

At that point in time I was a lot less technically capable, so on the rare occasion googling the issue would turn up a relevant mailing list archive, I usually wasn't able to act on it and I'd wind up procuring the package in question through some other method or just doing without.

So when Homebrew came along and most things installed and ran fine with the rare issue that cropped up getting fixed fairly quickly, it easily stuck.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

#85

I always wonder why ppl do not use MacPorts? There was a great article on HN which basically drew a pretty clear picture how brew can easily mess your system up. Yet, being a new Mac user, wherever I go, I only see a reference to brew installs. I am using M1 for a over a month and it’s been a very smooth ride so far. Installing everything via MacPorts where I only had an issue with rabbitmqd which failed to build bec…

I switched from brew to macports recently, so here are my thoughts:

- before, I had generally heard of homebrew a lot, and macports very little. Brew's marketing is better. I think this is intentional (as in Macports doesn't really do any)

- The docs for macports are very poor. They are comprehensive, but barely navigable. Keyword search doesn't work well. They're obtuse.

Further context: I also find brew docs poor, but they're much more user-focused (how to install packages), whereas macports' seem more packager-focused.

- Requiring sudo is a security feature, but Macports doesn't advertise this well, so brew "seems" more secure on first impression

- Most software with cli install instructions recommend brew up top (even when there's a macports option). i.e. there's no evangelization of macports by maintainers who package for it. I don't really know why this is, but it's something macports maintainers could/should look into.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Also commenting on single monitor support - a key note I missed from original reviews and maybe a reason to wait till more pro models come out?

If it's important to you, I'd say wait.

Something that's been missed a lot, I think, is that the Intel-based 13" MacBook Pro actually came in two versions -- a two-port one with a less-capable, low-power processor and a lot of limitations that made it more like a juiced-up Air, and a four-port one which was much more like the 15" MBP. The current M1-based MBP is direct replacement for that two-port model, and is now absolutely just a juiced-up Air; there's very little that the M1 MBP does that the M1 Air doesn't.

And, yes, the Intel version of the MacBook Pro But Really Juiced-Up Air, or MBPBRUJUA for short, could run two external 4K displays or one external 5K display, while the M1 MBPBRUJUA can only run one external display (although for the ones and ones of you out there with 6K displays, good news!). I would presume Apple knows this is a regression and plans to address it, at least when they update the four-port MBPs.

Personally, I'm not convinced the MBPBRUJUA is going to stay around past this product cycle; it's always struck me as a laptop in sort of a weird middle space, too big to make people who really want an Air happy but not "pro" enough to make, well, actual pros happy, and the shift to Apple Silicon brings the Air and the MBPBRUJUA so close together the only material difference is the case design. I can't help but suspect that the only reason we have an M1-based MBPBRUJUA is so Apple could tick off the "shipped an ARM-based laptop with a MacBook Pro nameplate in 2020" box.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Pandas works fine for me. But it’s a moderately sized data, below 100k rows. Dask works as well, though I can’t judge the speed.

How did you install pandas without any work around? (Mini forge, building from source, making a Rosetta terminal)

I just used conda and it sort of get installed? I don’t remember any issues around it. My only observation was that conda resolved dependencies lightning fast compared to MBP 2019.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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post #83

I wonder how much extra work Apple is generating audio companies like Native Instruments. I've been hoping for years that they would start supporting Linux, but I've settled with the fact that this won't happen. If one year ago one would have asked NI if they plan to support ARM chips, they would probably have laughed at you, but I'm sure that they now have already started working on this, now that Apple has forced t…

>I wonder how much extra work Apple is generating audio companies like Native Instruments.

Proportional to the business they expect to get from M1/Arm.

>I've been hoping for years that they would start supporting Linux, but I've settled with the fact that this won't happen.

They'd have to have their codebase already compatible by a huge percentage (like BitWig, which was a fresh start from ex-Ableton folks) for that to happen (that is, it would have to require minimal effort to do it as a good will gesture that costs them nothing to just build and offer for the ocassional buyer).

Else, it would be lots of effort not really justified by expected sales (as only a tiny share of musicians use Linux, and they're generally not the "buying commercial DAWs/VSTs types").

Re: Onboarding with an M1

#89

I always wonder why ppl do not use MacPorts? There was a great article on HN which basically drew a pretty clear picture how brew can easily mess your system up. Yet, being a new Mac user, wherever I go, I only see a reference to brew installs. I am using M1 for a over a month and it’s been a very smooth ride so far. Installing everything via MacPorts where I only had an issue with rabbitmqd which failed to build bec…

I think the reason is simply that Homebrew works fine for most people, including myself. I too have an M1 Mac and had no problems with it, although this may be a reflection of significant improvements made in Homebrew related to Apple Silicon in the past few months. That's the thing about software: things that break today can be fixed the next (or, worse, vice versa).

Re: Onboarding with an M1

#90

I always wonder why ppl do not use MacPorts? There was a great article on HN which basically drew a pretty clear picture how brew can easily mess your system up. Yet, being a new Mac user, wherever I go, I only see a reference to brew installs. I am using M1 for a over a month and it’s been a very smooth ride so far. Installing everything via MacPorts where I only had an issue with rabbitmqd which failed to build bec…

I switched to Brew back in... oh, 2012 or 2013, I think, because I was sick of MacPorts breaking itself horribly during normal operations (installing/uninstalling) every 3-6 months. Brew’s huge package selection, rare breakage (sometimes on OS upgrades, usually easy to fix), decent UI, and ability to also manage nearly all the closed-source software I install, have kept me from bothering to look at MacPorts again.

I had a similar experience. I started out with macports, which seemed more familiar to me as a user of Linux package managers. But macports kept breaking in weird ways, until I finally tried homebrew, which didn't break. That was years ago, so maybe macports is better now, but homebrew has never given me a reason to switch away from it.
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