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Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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Post by the_duke »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #70
prepend wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In fact, Amazon contributes very little to open source in general, considering how much they take from it I don’t think this is a fact. Amazon seems to contribute pretty significantly according to the pages [0,1] they put out that describes their contributions. Not to mention their membership in OSS foundations like Linux Foundation. [2] You have the caveat about in relation to benefit they gain, but that’s pretty…

The absolute claim, aside from being at home in a rant on HN, comes from a cursory glance at https://github.com/amzn , weighted by contributors and popularity, and compared to companies of similar size. Google, Microsoft and Facebook all build and maintain multiple open source projects that are hugely popular with people who use them outside of the company sandboxes. For example, people benefit from React without Fac…

They didn't even create firecracker themselves. It's a fork of Googles crossvm.

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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Post by brainless »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #31

I have mixed feelings about this server side license stuff that mongo db started. Imagine where the internet would be today if the creators of apache and mysql had tried to prevent shared hosting providers in the early days of the web from using their software

The time when Apache or MySQL started out was very different. Imagine where the internet would be if cloud computing itself didn't take off.

Do you remember a time when there were hundreds of hosting providers? Do you remember WebHostingTalk where admins would go to check hosting offers from suppliers around the world?

The monopolies finished that era. So I don't think that software companies trying to adapt now can be seen through the lens of what was 15 years ago.

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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Post by kmeisthax »

arkitaip wrote: post #16
minhazm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really price gouging for bandwidth? Or is bandwidth just really expensive in general? I honestly don't know. I would assume if it was actually much cheaper one of the cloud's would undercut the other to get customers.

Why would players in an oligopoly undercut each other when their implicit agreement around pricing makes all of them richer? Also, second tier cloud providers like Oracle give deep discounts and still can't compete with AWAZGO so pricing isn't necessarily a main competitive advantage.

Oracle's problem is that nobody wants to work with Oracle. If I was managing a high-bandwidth service I would avoid Oracle Cloud purely to avoid legal risk to my clients.

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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Post by fallat »

So as someone who has heard about Elasticsearch for years and years, and seen all this, right this moment I've decided to see what it really is.

On their home page, "Why use Elastic search?", the reasons are basically:

* It's fast!

* It does a lot of stuff!

* It has some tools to visualize data!

* It's distributed!!

I have to say this is not very appealing to me since it sounds like something any database could do.

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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Post by sunilkumarc »

Interesting!

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This book covers most of the topics that you need to learn to get started:

If someone is interested, here is the link :)

https://gumroad.com/a/238777459/MsVlG

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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Post by gnfargbl »

minhazm wrote: post #13
TechBro8615 wrote: post #9

It's hard for me to know whether to feel bad for ES in this case. Did they bring it on themselves? Is Amazon too big and a bully? From my perspective, Amazon has made most of its profit price gouging consumers on bandwidth after vendor locking them into their ecosystem, where they bootstrap new services by wrapping open source software with some provisioning scripts, management dashboards and cookie-cutter API / cons…

Is it really price gouging for bandwidth? Or is bandwidth just really expensive in general? I honestly don't know. I would assume if it was actually much cheaper one of the cloud's would undercut the other to get customers.

IP transit costs something like $350-$700/mo for a Gbit. Amazon are certainly getting better rates, so even with equipment costs I doubt they're spending much more than $0.005/GiB. Their pricing starts at $0.15/GiB. (Not to single out AWS, the other big providers are much the same.)

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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Post by dijit »

bogomipz wrote: post #72
busterarm wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a longtime ElasticSearch cluster admin/developer and Elastic Cloud customer, I don't feel bad for Elastic in the slightest and I'm psyched about this fork. The way they operate their cloud service leaves a lot to be desired and encourages maximum spend if you end up wanting to use it for anything demanding in production.

This is really a shame to hear. There was once a an Elastic SaaS company from Norway called found.io that were pretty sharp and customer-centric. They were acquired be Elastic pretty early on[1]. I believe Elastic Cloud was built from this. I guess found.io's culture of delivering a good product didn't survive? https://www.elastic.co/about/press/elastic-acquires-elastics...

Honestly the amount of negativity towards Elastic in this thread is jarring. I’ve been an ES customer (self hosted, some cloud) for years and have only good things to say about them. Maybe I’m less a fan of the number of features they try to bake in and the direction of the company towards using logs for metrics (which causes heavy disk load instead of just storing metrics in time series) but. Yeah.

I truly believe the negative voices are coming to the fore in this thread or they are paid Amazon folks (or they have a vested interest in AWS succeeding here).

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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Post by vervas »

mgr86 wrote: post #71

Naive aside, but why would I want to use ElasticSearch or OpenSearch over Solr? Are ES and Solr not both based on Lucene?

Not familiar with Solr but I believe the analogy to linux would be choosing the preferred distro while they all use the same kernel. There are a bunch of long comparison lists if you search for it.

Re: OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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Post by _tom_ »

mgr86 wrote: post #71

Naive aside, but why would I want to use ElasticSearch or OpenSearch over Solr? Are ES and Solr not both based on Lucene?

Elasticsearch has done a good job of focusing on the log analytics space, and Kibana is a great tool.

I'd probably use ES for any log analytics and Solr for things like website and ecommerce search.

Of course, you could do both with either.

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