The Web’s Missing Interoperability

Post by bwclk » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 2:27 AM UTC

beardedetim wrote: post #32

jacobobryant wrote: post #18

Heh, I published a post in a similar vein just today[1]. Lately I've been thinking the way to do it is have everyone publish a (paginated) Atom feed with all their public content interactions. So each item in the feed would be something like "published this blog post", "liked this tweet", "thinks this comment was written in bad faith", etc. And "follows this person" with a link to that person's atom feed. Then if you…

I’ve been noodling this idea for a few years. I think it’s a great idea and it being based on Atom/RSS is a great move. The problem, I have found, is no one wants to pay for hosting. No one wants to self host. And by no one I mean no one that is using Facebook /Twitter / Insta / etc. and for this to really work, I think you need everyone hosting their own “log”. Interested in seeing more work done in this space and a…

Post by calvinmorrison » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 4:11 AM UTC

twiss wrote: post #39

Aerroon wrote: post #17

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The solution, as it often is, is to create reasonable exemptions for small businesses. How do people expect a single person to start a business among all of these rules? Obviously there shouldn't be no rules, but they need to be easier to comply with. Right now it all kind of works, because there's a lack of enforcement. But we don't know how many people have given up, because they were uncertain of the regulations.

For new businesses, most support tickets will probably be handled manually. This could even include such mundane things as "could you reset my password" (if you haven't bothered to implement a "forgot my password" mechanism yet, which is perfectly reasonable). Another request could be, "could you delete my account and data". Normally, if a user asks you that, you should probably already do so anyway, GDPR just says t…

Post by matheusmoreira » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 6:06 AM UTC

thombles wrote: post #59

twiss wrote: post #34

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Previously, cookies could be used to track users across websites (e.g. multiple websites using the Shopify platform, by making a request to shopify.com), but also to provide useful functionality (e.g. remembering their contact details). Now, this is not possible anymore, due to first-party isolation being implemented in Safari and now Firefox. Personally, I think this is not such a big deal, as the browser can rememb…

The author explains one of their main concerns: > its attack on “tracking” — which goes far beyond the IDFA — makes it increasingly impossible to acquire users in one place and convert them in another Somehow I can't bring myself to feel sympathy for business models affected by this.

Post by MatekCopatek » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 6:30 AM UTC

themacguffinman wrote: post #76

MatekCopatek wrote: post #48

An unlikely outcome that I'd like to see is the following: 1. Legislation makes current models impossible - I'm imagining something like Section 230 being repealed, Twitter and Facebook being on the hook for anything anyone posts, which means they can't moderate and are forced to change their business model/effectively close shop. 2. People still want to blog/share/like. 3. Federated networks become a thing again bec…

The repeal of Section 230 would mean more aggressive and large scale moderation, not less. Remember that the copyright liability incurred by DMCA and other copyright laws didn't kill YouTube, instead it directly led to the creation of ContentID.

Post by mro_name » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 7:43 AM UTC

phkahler wrote: post #58

beardedetim wrote: post #32

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I’ve been noodling this idea for a few years. I think it’s a great idea and it being based on Atom/RSS is a great move. The problem, I have found, is no one wants to pay for hosting. No one wants to self host. And by no one I mean no one that is using Facebook /Twitter / Insta / etc. and for this to really work, I think you need everyone hosting their own “log”. Interested in seeing more work done in this space and a…

>> The problem, I have found, is no one wants to pay for hosting. No one wants to self host. Self hosting needs to be as easy as plugging a box into your router. This means some type of DNS or other way to find your node given all the ISPs failure to provide fixed IPs. Also a super easy management method and access controls (public, private, friends). I have a lot more thoughts on that.