Every month I go into The Who Is Hiring thread and Ctrl-F for “climate,” “energy,” and “carbon” and almost never turn anything up. I’ve been part of this community for something like ten years and I know many people on here to be extremely shrewd and intelligent, and yet, over and over again, I see people who don’t understand the scale of climate change at all, nor the scale of the opportunity involved in transitioni…
The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try
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Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Show me where that's happening because of climate change. Oh, I know, its gonna happen soon™. You can sell me doom by showing me. Again I ask, risking asking the wrong question, where's your support for your "estimate" that society will collapse globally by 2030 due to climate change?
The car is speeding toward a cliff edge. "Maybe the cliff edge is 200 feet away, not 100. Maybe the cliff is only 100 feet high, not 200. Could there be some gravel at the bottom, and not just boulders? Maybe it's not a cliff at all! Let's just think about this more. It would be terrible to act and then discover we didn't need to, just yet!" What facts are you in doubt about? Do you have doubts that, as already-hot p…
Your car speeding towards a cliff analogy presupposes your argument. I'd argue that a bumpy road is coming, not a cliff. I'd like you to show me why you believe it is a cliff, and that it is coming within 9 years.
Facts I'm in doubt about: that global societal collapse is coming by 2030. You could change my mind here, I'm practically begging you to do it, all you have to do is show me.
I don't doubt that coral reefs bleach, but I do doubt that it is really that big a deal, and I have reasons why. Here is one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982020/ they are not collapsing. See what I did there? If you could do that, just once, that would be great. You might even convince me that total societal collapse will occur by 2030.
I'm in doubt that climate change will cause famines that create a 200M migration problem worldwide. If you could give me a reason to believe that, and that it will happen by the year 2030, I'd really appreciate that very much.
Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your presenter is obviously wrong. The US ans Europe with far smaller populations have significantly greater climate footprints than China and India, for example. And that’s before we adjust for the fact that a lot of China’s footprint is US/European footprint outsourced to China. Indians having fewer kids will do nothing to reduce the already too large impact of the existing US/European populations. Also the idea th…
> The US ans Europe with far smaller populations have significantly greater climate footprints than China That was true twenty years ago. After two decades of decarbonisation in the west and the opposite in China, China emits far more CO2 than the US and the EU taken together. And even per capita, China has been emitting more than the EU for the last 5 years or more. (Yes, the US emissions per capita are still ridicu…
China assumed the environmental pollution of the previously significant manufacturing industry of the United States and other countries that succumbed to the short-sighted leaders of manufacturing companies who were riding the globalist wave of the last 30-40 years.
Re: The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s What Happens If You Try
#84It's going to take out the fringes of many coastal cities. The US probably loses much of New Orleans and Miami. Some of the hotter spots on the planet will become unlivable. Those things have already happened. India and parts of Africa have the worst problems. As do some Asian cities with heavily populated river delta areas. On the other hand, the northern tier of US states become more habitable. We get an ice-free N…
> India and parts of Africa have the worst problems. So much so that Africa's population is projected to increase by 1 billion, doubling in the next 30 years. Any environmentalist would like to elucidate us on the consequences of this? Those who are worried about the impact of climate change on water availability or conflicts might want to have a word about the consequences of adding 1 billion people in 30 years in t…