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> How do people seriously not see the parallels here? The way that the CCP, and most Chinese people, view the protestors in Hong Kong, is exactly the same way that the US Government You need to read more about China. What you believe is simply not true. China is internally focused, The west is externally focused.
China thinks that HK affairs are "internal affairs".
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> How do people seriously not see the parallels here? The way that the CCP, and most Chinese people, view the protestors in Hong Kong, is exactly the same way that the US Government You need to read more about China. What you believe is simply not true. China is internally focused, The west is externally focused.
China thinks that HK affairs are "internal affairs".
The US should be forming a closer relationship with India, to work with them strategically to increase their domestic investment and try to reach some type of parity, economically, with China as a ballast. We, the US, simply don't have the literal bodies regardless of our economy.
Open immigration, create tax incentives for raising children, and start minting new US states. We could close the gap with China and India if we prioritized it. I think it's of strategic importance that we do.
The situation in HK is depressing, especially when Western corporations and politicians seem to admire the CCP more than democratic activists. What can an individual do to help Hong Kongers? Any suggestions?
> What can an individual do to help Hong Kongers? Any suggestions? How many firearms, and ammo you can buy, and how many politicians you can lobby? Even if you are a single digit millionaire, that's just enough to arm, and feed no more than a single lightly armed battalion for a few months. I see other option than a military solution, either limited, or not. Even if any Western power decide on half hearted piecemeal…
How would you feel if I advocated for arming communist rebels in your country? It's disturbing how normalized calls to violence are on HN when the violence happens far away.
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Is this a joke? Trump is the most anti-CCP president in the last 40 years. Please watch this Pompeo speech if you want to know how the Trump admin feels towards China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7azj-t0gtPM
The poster alleges the US Government opposes the DC protesters in the same way the CCP opposes the HK ones. That requires not considering the US President to be part of the US Government for it to be true.
I'd link you to the video of him saying this, but Twitter deleted it so I can't.
Counterpoint. Everyone I meet in SF is against colonialism. Have you considered that Hong Kong is part of China, was taken as a colony, Democracy was introduced and by supporting a different system of government, in a country that isn't yours, is a form of internalized colonialism? Our country [The United States] is literally falling apart. Our biggest problem in the west is our tendency to export our problems. China…
> Have you considered that Hong Kong is part of China, was taken as a colony, Democracy was introduced and by supporting a different system of government, in a country that isn't yours, is a form of internalized colonialism?
> Our country is literally falling apart.
> Our biggest problem in the west is our tendency to export our problems. China is internally focused, and will solve its internal problems in Hong Kong. Whether you like it or not. It's simply how they operate considering their 5,000 year history.
China itself was built by imperialist and colonial actions. If you truly are against such actions (or if you support treaty agreements) you would support Hong Kong citizens in their attempt to stay some sort of separate entity.
People have this idea that an enormous unified China is somehow natural. The linguistic variation of Chinese is larger than the romance languages today. China being some unified country speaking Mandarin is about as natural as Rome coming back today and enforcing Italian on all its previous empire. I'm not personally arguing that China should break apart, but the "5,000 year history of China" somehow implying that they need to take over everything in the area is just a made-up historical argument to support their current imperialism.
Maybe we can't go back and give Hong Kongers a voice, but we shouldn't pretend like their fate was somehow natural or just. And we shouldn't watch them go down now without a care.
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For a long time American policy was also that these "unfair" treaties made by Colonial Powers should go. Roosevelt was very much of that opinion that these treaties should be abbrograted in the aftermath of World War II, and his views did lead to some differences of opinion with Churchill. Infact all other concessions except HK and Macau were returned to Chinese about the end of the war.
We probably need to return California to Mexico by your logic.
The situation in HK is depressing, especially when Western corporations and politicians seem to admire the CCP more than democratic activists. What can an individual do to help Hong Kongers? Any suggestions?
It sure is. HK was my favorite city. Great place. I liked to live in China too, but left when Xi got into power, because it was all too obvious, even 10 years ago, what would happen.
The turn to nationlism, xenophobia, and imperialism under Xi is insane. And the lack of reaction to it in the West (with the exception of the Trump administration) is even more insane.
Counterpoint. Everyone I meet in SF is against colonialism. Have you considered that Hong Kong is part of China, was taken as a colony, Democracy was introduced and by supporting a different system of government, in a country that isn't yours, is a form of internalized colonialism? Our country [The United States] is literally falling apart. Our biggest problem in the west is our tendency to export our problems. China…
Well it’s not 2040, they broke the treaty, that fully is a justifiable offence.
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Of course you can't hide it. And of course it's possible they may decide to attack Taiwan if it were attempted. It's also possible that not doing so _guarantees_ an attack by China. It's all a balance of probabilities. One could very well rationally decide the likelihood of China attacking Taiwan decreases by putting a base there. I'm not saying that conclusion is guaranteed correct, or that you should agree with it,…
Offer statehood first. If China attacks a US state, they've declared war.
the chinese will view it as a declaration of war.