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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by duxup »

dash2 wrote: post #78
duxup wrote: post #69

“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.” ― Martin Luther King Jr. This seems more hauntingly true than ever, and with the internet and people's social lives and communication tied to products from 'everywhere', seemingly injustice anywhere seems to be inching…

This sounds noble but it leads to the idea that one country can impose its vision of justice globally. The CCP could then argue that is just what it itself is doing. A better argument is that this guy allegedly committed crimes that took place on US soil.

If someone uses it or doesn't use it to justify anything doesn't change that it is true.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by kube-system »

fma wrote: post #66
spoonjim wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, video conferencing is one of the most challenging software products to deliver, at the latencies that people expect and the price they're typically willing to pay. It's not a CRUD app. Second, F, A, A, G, and M do provide rock solid video conferencing. Apple being the most rock solid of all of them, but limited to Apple devices.

> video conferencing is one of the most challenging software products to deliver The smartest software engineers are in FAAGM, or so I've been told? > Second, F, A, A, G, and M do provide rock solid video conferencing. If they have solid products, then how did a no name company beat them? FWIW I'll have to disagree with you on 'solid products'. My wife runs a learning center that went virtual. I evaluated very produc…

> Microsoft kept locking our accounts and doing other shenanigans.

And Zoom had a few headlines about incidents where they probably should have locked some accounts but didn't.

Security is a tradeoff with usability. Zoom slid the slider all the way to the right at first.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by ipnon »

spoonjim wrote: post #35
ipnon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CEO is an American citizen[0], Zoom is headquartered in San Jose[1] and listed on NASDAQ.[2] [0] https://blog.zoom.us/navigating-a-new-chapter-for-zoom/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_Video_Communications [2] https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/zm

Clearly Zoom is on paper American but functions as a party organ of the CCP. That should make you curious about what other companies, or individuals working at companies, might be analogous.

They are not clearly a party organ. Ask a random person on the street if Zoom is a party organ of the CCP. They will tell you, "no, I'm pretty sure it's an American company, right?" I agree with you that this is a considerable problem. Zoom is practically a Chinese company in American clothing.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by nradov »

rtx wrote: post #70
_cs2017_ wrote: post #67

How is it that Zoom became so popular despite numerous large tech firms offering competing products?

It all new, Zoom actually is one of the pioneers.

WebEx (acquired by Cisco) had all of the core functionality before Zoom.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by Larrikin »

_cs2017_ wrote: post #67

How is it that Zoom became so popular despite numerous large tech firms offering competing products?

I tried all the familiar offers at the beginning of the pandemic. Zoom was the only one at the time that offered a smooth connection regardless of the other person's internet speed for decently sized groups. Also their creepy hacks that open their so or the installer were universally panned on HN (for good reason) but it was the only way I could talk to my more senior members of my family without being on a forty minute phone call walking them through every step of the other companies' offerings

I've seen product updates from LINE touting their improvements and I assume the Skype team got yelled at for blowing it so bad at the beginning but there's just no inertia for anyone to bother with something else until after the pandemics over. I've stopped looking. The company seems shady but I'll take a product that works to be able to actually talk to friends and family in the short term.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by ksml »

_cs2017_ wrote: post #67

How is it that Zoom became so popular despite numerous large tech firms offering competing products?

Because it works really well (at least from my experience and others I've heard). It has a solid (and really useful) feature set, and I generally have lower latency and less CPU usage than any other video conferencing system I've tried.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by kettro »

random5634 wrote: post #64

Is there anyone close to competitive in terms of user mindshare? We are on zoom. I'd love to get off. Google Meet? - others on gsuite domains blocked from joining, rules around having accounts etc? We need background replacement or blur. I tried before and couldn't really make it a success (and so confusing with hangouts, chat, talk, duo, allo etc). Background replacement not as good as zoom. Uberconference - audio l…

(I'm a Google SWE, though in firmware) I've had good experiences with Meet, both internally and externally. At least internally/gsuite, the background blur is really quite good. The public/free version doesn't itself have either background replacements, though.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by spoonjim »

ipnon wrote: post #73
spoonjim wrote: post #27

All of this CCP poison inside Zoom must be a huge gift to Microsoft Teams.

The popularity of apps like Zoom and TikTok suggests that American national security is an afterthought for consumers.

National security cannot be delegated to individual action. It's basically the first and foremost purpose of government.
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