"unlawful conspiracy to transfer a means of identification."
I don't think I've ever heard that phrase before. It's a federal crime? What does it mean?
Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square
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#72I will speak with other leaders at my company to move us away from Zoom for conferencing. If you're a leader how can you read this and not only tolerate it, but pay for it? This is it.
What is "it"? This is an allegation. Under an administration with a highly motivated agenda. Could be true, or could be completely fabricated/exaggerated like all the national security allegations this administration has thrown about.
The DOJ does not share the agenda of the administration.
Do you think the US should not have an administration that is highly motivated to root out CCP operatives?
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#73All of this CCP poison inside Zoom must be a huge gift to Microsoft Teams.
The popularity of apps like Zoom and TikTok suggests that American national security is an afterthought for consumers.
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#74Is there anyone close to competitive in terms of user mindshare? We are on zoom. I'd love to get off. Google Meet? - others on gsuite domains blocked from joining, rules around having accounts etc? We need background replacement or blur. I tried before and couldn't really make it a success (and so confusing with hangouts, chat, talk, duo, allo etc). Background replacement not as good as zoom. Uberconference - audio l…
The issue isn't "user mindshare", it's technical quality, as you say. Nothing I have tried either matches zoom.
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#76I’ve never even heard of either of the things they’ve charged. I wonder why they went with conspiracy to commit interstate harassment and conspiracy to transfer means of identification rather than with CFAA or wiretapping charges.
Wiretapping probably requires zoom to be a public utility. CFAA I don't know enough about.
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#77> Jin’s co-conspirators created fake email accounts and Company-1 accounts in the names of others, including PRC political dissidents, to fabricate evidence that the hosts of and participants in the meetings to commemorate the Tiananmen Square massacre were supporting terrorist organizations, inciting violence or distributing child pornography. The fabricated evidence falsely asserted that the meetings included discu…
I think it's been mentioned on hn before, but it sure seems like we should look twice at anyone who gets charged with child pornography - could be someone getting framed.
Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything.
Bringing charges is not evidence.
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#78“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.” ― Martin Luther King Jr. This seems more hauntingly true than ever, and with the internet and people's social lives and communication tied to products from 'everywhere', seemingly injustice anywhere seems to be inching…
This sounds noble but it leads to the idea that one country can impose its vision of justice globally. The CCP could then argue that is just what it itself is doing.
A better argument is that this guy allegedly committed crimes that took place on US soil.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
First of all, video conferencing is one of the most challenging software products to deliver, at the latencies that people expect and the price they're typically willing to pay. It's not a CRUD app. Second, F, A, A, G, and M do provide rock solid video conferencing. Apple being the most rock solid of all of them, but limited to Apple devices.
> video conferencing is one of the most challenging software products to deliver The smartest software engineers are in FAAGM, or so I've been told? > Second, F, A, A, G, and M do provide rock solid video conferencing. If they have solid products, then how did a no name company beat them? FWIW I'll have to disagree with you on 'solid products'. My wife runs a learning center that went virtual. I evaluated very produc…
A no name company beat them because they provide video conferencing to support their other businesses (except M). Apple hands out free FaceTime to move Apple devices, they don’t care about the video conferencing market itself.
Also, the Microsoft competitor isn’t Skype, it’s Teams.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
It all new, Zoom actually is one of the pioneers.
What was new?
The aggressive sales team focused on a video calling product; all of the other major solutions are afterthoughts owned by companies focusing on other products.
Oh, and that "Brady Bunch" view that Google quickly copied, after refusing to update Google Meet for years before that.