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Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by chaostheory »

Hokusai wrote: post #40
john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

> I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store What about defining a standard subscription protocol that allows any company to offer subscription management, and allow consumers to change their subscription manager if they are not happy? Putting all your eggs in one nest because you currently like it is a very risky gamble. Banking has worked with standards for decades that allow interoperability…

You have a point, but that standard protocol doesn’t exist yet to even be implemented. Even then, is it a strict standard that everyone will follow to a T, or is it one where every company will have their own special interpretation?

Unfortunately, people need something that works right now.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by rglullis »

Hokusai wrote: post #78
rglullis wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a false dichotomy that both pro-government and pro-corporate people fall into. Whether Apple or "Our Government", we shouldn't be giving this much power to institutions. > But even so, what are we supposed to do? Vote with your wallet. Stop consuming whatever it is that comes with attached strings. Stop putting convenience above principles. Refuse to pay/subscribe/accept any terms that are clearly not in your…

> You don't need Big Government to do that. Regulations are there tools that citizens have to reign in corporate behavior. 'Big government' is just a catch name for many anti regulation lobbying entities to remove power from citizens and acumulats it on corporations. > Vote with your wallet. Yes. And also vote with your ballots, one person one vote triumphs one dollar one vote if you want freedom.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25330764

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by rglullis »

the_other wrote: post #80
rglullis wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a false dichotomy that both pro-government and pro-corporate people fall into. Whether Apple or "Our Government", we shouldn't be giving this much power to institutions. > But even so, what are we supposed to do? Vote with your wallet. Stop consuming whatever it is that comes with attached strings. Stop putting convenience above principles. Refuse to pay/subscribe/accept any terms that are clearly not in your…

"Stop consuming... " isn't enough. You also have to do some of the work needed for the other side of "vote with your wallet". "Vote" for the system/product/method you wish to see. This might include building it yourself, using crowdfunding/micropayments for journalists/politicians/artists you trust/follow.

Agreed. "Vote with your wallet" does not exclude the idea of being an investor or sponsor of better alternatives.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by gigatexal »

john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

Same. Apple makes killing a subscription super easy.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by gigatexal »

webmobdev wrote: post #57
john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

> I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. You do so only because you believe have no choice as you know that your democracy is so crippled that you don't expect them to protect your rights as a consumer any more! Where as many Europeans and Asians, who also enjoy democratic rights, will tell you openly that we would prefer that our democratically elected government protect our consumer righ…

Not to speak for the op but for me it’s not that I’m lacking choice it’s that I want to use the first party solution because it works better. For me, it’s like a programming language with one canonical way to do something. It makes things so much easier. Easier to read. Easier to reason about. I just use the Apple version for things because 9/10 times it works flawlessly.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by gigatexal »

intellix wrote: post #86

I think at this point Apple are just laughing at their customer base and testing how much they can get away with

Nope they’re counting my dollar bills. They keep putting out amazing hardware: AirPods, iPhones, M1 Macs, etc., I’ll keep bending around their software (which I love 99% of the time) and their control of the experience which I think is what makes everything work so cohesively.

We just bought a new MacBook Air with the M1 and my wife will use it until it dies so if it’s anything like our other Apple laptops could be 7 years or so.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by [deleted] »

Veen wrote: post #74
lqet wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Religion is a touchy subject. Oddly enough, as I have come to discover in these pages, so is Apple. This has also been my experience. I know people with whom I just avoid talking about Apple. Personally I just accept that Apple is their religion (some of them have Apple bumper stickers) and that religion is something deeply personal.

There are people who develop a religious fervour for brands, but I too often see that used as an excuse to dismiss legitimate arguments and preferences. Some people seem to develop an almost religious antipathy to brands and their customers. If Apple fanatics think Jobs or Cook are Jesus-like, the detractors seem to cast them as one rung up from Lucifer. It's assumed that if you prefer Apple products, it must be beca…

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Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

lqet wrote: post #60
chadcmulligan wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more a religion or cult according to neuroscience https://www.cnet.com/news/scientists-apple-makes-your-brain-...

> Religion is a touchy subject. Oddly enough, as I have come to discover in these pages, so is Apple. This has also been my experience. I know people with whom I just avoid talking about Apple. Personally I just accept that Apple is their religion (some of them have Apple bumper stickers) and that religion is something deeply personal.

It's curious that Apple have been more successful in inspiring this kind of zealotry than have the FSF. The power of good marketing I suppose. As I indicated in my other comment in this thread, I think such 'corporate fanboyism' can be considered a kind of immaturity.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by [deleted] »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #89
lqet wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Religion is a touchy subject. Oddly enough, as I have come to discover in these pages, so is Apple. This has also been my experience. I know people with whom I just avoid talking about Apple. Personally I just accept that Apple is their religion (some of them have Apple bumper stickers) and that religion is something deeply personal.

It's curious that Apple have been more successful in inspiring this kind of zealotry than have the FSF. The power of good marketing I suppose. As I indicated in my other comment in this thread, I think such 'corporate fanboyism' can be considered a kind of immaturity.

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