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Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by cheschire »

victords wrote: post #77
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

> what about PS3 or 360 games? That's only true for PS3 tho. Microsoft has been doing quite a good job regarding backwards compatibility, and you can still play 360 games in the new Series X.

PS3 was a completely different CPU architecture than PS4. That's why sony implemented a streaming library for older games instead.

Emulation alone wouldn't have worked because some folks more knowledgeable than I am have said that the PS3 chip was more powerful than even some modern CPUs. Streaming is really the only relatively universal and financially viable solution for that older library of games.

> VAN DER LEEUW: Even desktop chips nowadays, the fastest Intel stuff you can buy is not by far as powerful as the Cell CPU, but it’s very difficult to get power out of the Cell. I think it was ahead of its age, because it was a little bit more like how GPUs work nowadays, but it was maybe not balanced nicely and it was too hard to use. It overshot a little bit in power and undershot in usability, but it was definitely visionary.

https://www.gameinformer.com/feature/2019/12/03/the-first-25...

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by pdpi »

egypturnash wrote: post #76
vultour wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

Costs less, lets you kick back on a couch, setup and maintenance is a couple orders of less magnitude less complicated, much smaller attack surface for malware. Oh yeah, and the internet subscription also tends to come with a constant stream of free games. Every month there’s a couple new things to play that cost more than your month’s subscription.

> much smaller attack surface for malware.

And much smaller blast radius too. I don't do home banking on my xbox.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by jackpeterfletch »

kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

This is a bit tangental, but.

While I agree the backwards compatability on PC is nice. The new M1 MBP Pro benchmarks quite clearly show, in my opinion, that the hell bent persuit of backwards compatability, on a _40 Year Old_ instruction set, may have significantly held computing back.

They've produced a chip that goes toe to toe with the fastest x86s parts, but does it in 10W instead of 65W. And this is their first shot at it.

I think we may need to recalibrate our expectations for long term software support, for both PCs and Consoles, if we want the most out of our hardware.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by nailer »

fiskfiskfisk wrote: post #35
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

There's a pretty good list of backwards compatible 360 games that can be played on the modern Xbox consoles. Microsoft did the work in this case. Since it's different architectures there's a bit of work involved in making sure the compatibility layer works as expected. It's a technical achievement that they've been able to do it as good as this. There's also OG Xbox games available with a compatibility layer as well.…

It's actually amazing that Microsoft:

- Paid developers to emulate a Pentium III (original xbox) on a PowerPC (360) in the first place

- Subsequently paid developers to do the effective opposite - emulate PowerPC (360) on x86 (one, series)

Also consider it's far easier to emulate an original xbox on a one/series than it was on a 360

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by mothsonasloth »

mewse wrote: post #14

The history hasn’t really been removed ; it’s just not being indexed from the main search box. And yeah, there’s an argument to be made that if there are no links to a thing that’s basically the same as that thing not existing and I do buy into that argument. But in this case, it seems to me like it’s as likely to be a mistake as anything else, seeing as the old pages themselves are still there and haven’t been remov…

It's alarmism/sensationalism/outrage journalism 101

See a recent issue, jump to conclusions, publish article, then request comment from the person/organisation who caused the outrage

Profit $$$

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by mensetmanusman »

vultour wrote: post #65
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

To add to this, if you don’t play often enough, when you do want to jump on the couch and play with a friend, you have to wait 15 minutes for your console to upgrade.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by mensetmanusman »

mulmen wrote: post #47
OskarS wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, it was 9 years and two console generations ago. They had a serious security breach and it was pretty bad, for sure, and the service stayed down for a while. But Sony is not the first company to have a security breach. And under the circumstances, they did the right thing: shutting the service down entirely until it could be fixed was clearly the right call, but it was also clearly a very difficult call to make.…

And for the last 9 years I didn't buy any Sony anythings and I didn't get screwed by anything. Including this, because I already wrote them off a decade ago. Fool me once, etc. There's no coming back from a 23 day outage. Your comment is especially ironic considering the games you mention are among those that are no longer listed.

I was unaware this happened (last console was SNES).

Did they offer users gift cards or anything?

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by acomjean »

I imagine this is an error. The ps5 has a platformer game (very cute) called Astrobot[1] where the goal seems to be to collect Sony “artifacts” of PlayStation consoles from days gone by.

These artifacts are 3D renders of all the old hardware.

[1]https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/astros-playroom/

Also this generation 4->5 seems to be backward compatible

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by Dirlewanger »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #34
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

I can’t see any rationale for how it’s forced obsolescence. New consoles offer very obvious improvements over previous consoles, and they don’t prevent old consoles from working. Not offering infinite backwards compatibility with new hardware isn’t forced obsolescence.

Well, some parts are forced anyway e.g. you can't play original Xbox games on Xbox Live anymore.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

epanchin wrote: post #71
vultour wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pa…

A PlayStation 5 is £450 and will smoothly play any game I buy for it. PlayStation+ for 7 years is £350. Total cost excluding games is £800 for 7 years of smooth gameplay. An £800 PC wouldn’t even play current games smoothly, never mind releases in 7 years.

>An £800 PC wouldn’t even play current games smoothly

Why do people assume you need a million $ PC to play current games smoothly? Is it the tech youtubers/influencers like Linus to blame for this madness where everything needs to be run at 4k 300Hz ULTRA settings to count as PC gaming?

PC gaming hardware for a good experience is more affordable than people think.

A 850-900 Euro PC (for us over the channel) with an RTX 2060 will definitely play all AAA titles very smoothly. Sure, not in native 4K, but consoles games(even next gen) are also not native 4K/ultra settings but rendered in lower fidelity then upscaled to whatever your TV output is.

>never mind releases in 7 years.

That PC will most definitely play games 7 years from now but on lower settings which will still match the visual fidelity of the 7 year old console as the game developers will have to lower game details to make the game playable on the then outdated console hardware.

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