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Can't you just buy some electronics, throw away all receipts and such and simply claim to customs that you had it already for a while? For example, when I bought my Audio Technica ATH-M50X in the US for about $100 (while in my country they were about twice as expensive) I just had it around my neck as I was listening music through it. No one asked a thing. In all fairness, I went to the US for fun and got a chance to…
> simply claim to customs that you had it already for a while? You can also simply hold a knife to a stranger and ask them to empty their wallet. Both happen to be illegal, however.
iPhone 12 Pro so costly in India, you can fly to Dubai to buy it and save money
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Re: iPhone 12 Pro so costly in India, you can fly to Dubai to buy it and save money
#82If you value you time at zero.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh, I think it is just crazy to those of us in North America that import duties can be that high.
"as of May 2019, the US has the highest tariff rate among all developed nations with a trade-weighted tariff rate of 4.2%"
Re: iPhone 12 Pro so costly in India, you can fly to Dubai to buy it and save money
#84I wish the article went into the cause of the price difference. Is it high import taxes/sales taxes/etc., restrictions that make the phone harder to produce or sell for the Indian market, or just Apple deciding to charge a sizably higher markup in India than elsewhere?
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#85Re: iPhone 12 Pro so costly in India, you can fly to Dubai to buy it and save money
#86Really the government’s fault for imposing such high duties and taxes. I just don’t understand it from a morality perspective .
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I came to say this, but since you already said, another information: Some years ago a lawmaker calculated the taxes for game consoles and concluded they are 273% of the US price. Also when Sony was heavily bashed for the price of Playstation 4 at launch, people claiming they were price gouging, Sony blamed taxes, so I went and calculated the taxes myself, as if my store would sell it (I own a store but sell other stu…
Yup. It's actually remarkable to me that the Brazilian government continues to add these taxes that, last I checked, were highest in the world. The original justification was that it would spur domestic manufacture of computers, consoles, laptops, etc. Obviously that hasn't happened. All it's done is make anything involving computing ridiculously expensive. I truly don't understand why there isn't democratic pressure…
As a thought experiment, you could take the concept of tariffs and apply it to an ever decreasing geographic area. Maybe my city should try to protect its jobs and industry and therefore levy a 100% tariff on goods made in other cities. Same for my neighborhood or city block.
Ultimately, it's also a tragically regressive tax. Wealthy families that regularly travel to Miami or New York don't suffer much from it -- they just buy their electronics there. They may even make some money by bringing some home and selling the goods for much more than they paid.
If you're poor and you need to buy a laptop or phone on your meager salary, you're screwed.
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If the govt reduces taxes, doesnt that incentivize apple to just make them elsewhere and ship to India? I thought high taxes are the incentive to start manufacturing or assembly locally.
Certainly there is an inflection point where demand meets a taxed price that would cause Apple to build a factory in India. If Apple is not currently building a factory in India, then that point has not been reached and the result is just higher prices for Indians.
Re: iPhone 12 Pro so costly in India, you can fly to Dubai to buy it and save money
#89The article excludes the cost of import duty, and other taxes (see daedalus's comment). It is a false argument to say that if I didn't pay tax things could be cheaper eg. if I break the law I can get a cheaper iPhone. Getting caught for breaking the law is a stochastic system, but the expected value is lower than most people think. Edit: How far are people willing to take this? Should we share an article saying someo…
personal effects are non taxable across borders in most tax regimes so legally this is fine
I have no idea how that was actually enforced.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I came to say this, but since you already said, another information: Some years ago a lawmaker calculated the taxes for game consoles and concluded they are 273% of the US price. Also when Sony was heavily bashed for the price of Playstation 4 at launch, people claiming they were price gouging, Sony blamed taxes, so I went and calculated the taxes myself, as if my store would sell it (I own a store but sell other stu…
Yup. It's actually remarkable to me that the Brazilian government continues to add these taxes that, last I checked, were highest in the world. The original justification was that it would spur domestic manufacture of computers, consoles, laptops, etc. Obviously that hasn't happened. All it's done is make anything involving computing ridiculously expensive. I truly don't understand why there isn't democratic pressure…
There was a time when I was trying to run an actual journalistic quality blog about gamedev, and I interviewed a bunch of people, some of them almost slipped out stuff, and one talked to me off the record, basically he claimed a certain Brazillian company that has a license from a certain japanese company to manufacture some 8-bit and 16-bit consoles, lobbyed very hard for the tax increases on imported consoles (something that didn't helped them, most of their income come from Karaoke machines now).
And later on I found out that a lot of employees of that certain brazillian company have connections with the government, for example one of them worked for that company and worked for BNDS, and while still in both of their payrolls went on a speaking tour to explain how the government was being great for the local game industry by offering loans at low cost for game companies... when I went to check, the game companies or had government friends, or family (for example one of the "game companies" the government helped, that never made a game, had the son of the president as shareholder).
I also once foolishly helped an "activist" that was promising to represent Brazillian gamers to lower the taxes, I even printed the logo of his campaign on my own company t-shirts and promo materials, and printed his logo on an Arcade machine I built.
After he got inside the government and the negotiations started, then he immediately proposed a tax cut only for physical stores, and massive tax increases for online stores, specially Steam, this made people investigate his life, and then find out he was shareholder of physical game stores... Thankfully his effort failed (thankfully because what he was proposing would make overall taxes higher instead of lower, also it would result in censorship of a bunch of stuff).