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I can see this influencing my next vehicle purchase. For those who are familiar with the project - what is the security situation like?
I run mine completely offline, it doesn't require an internet connection except every few months. This check can be disabled pretty easily.
I don't think manufacturers will outsource the development of their ADAS systems to Comma (or anyone else for that matter) because they view it as a potential short-term differentiator. The existing differentiators are collapsing quickly: reliability is no longer a major concern for EVs, infotainment is lost cause (Carplay and Android Auto won decisively). Aside from ADAS, we're looking at a scenario where in 10 years the only reason to buy from company X vs company Y might be price.
See also Ghost Locomotion, L3 device with more funding.
and according to their website....
> Coming soon
> The delivery and use of Ghost products will depend on our ability to meet certain reliability and performance levels, as well as receiving applicable regulatory approvals, which could take longer for certain car models and in certain jurisdictions. We continuously work to improve the functionality of our products, and as a result, some of the features depicted herein may be delivered to you via over-the-air software updates or equipment upgrades.
It's neat, and a good application of the technology, but honestly I don't see this taking off because the gap between the tech and execution is closing quickly. Comma was really far ahead of everyone 5 years ago. But... we have gone from a situation where the Level 2 systems available in most new cars went from an impractical gimmick, to very useful and comparable to this in just a few years. New Toyota's (MY 2020) a…
Also free to checkout navigating SF with OpenPilot https://youtu.be/0TpMMoQ7GGg (30 min). I highly doubt you would find similar results with a Toyota TSS 2.0 system. Nevertheless, I will let the contents of the videos speak for themselves.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> on your own at your own risk It is not just your own risk but also that of other pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers that share the road with you.
that's not what "at your own risk" means. "At your own risk" means you bear the risk (legally). If something happens, it is on you, and the manufacturer offloads any liability on you. That does not imply what the risks are. Life threatening? You are risking other people's lives.
It's neat, and a good application of the technology, but honestly I don't see this taking off because the gap between the tech and execution is closing quickly. Comma was really far ahead of everyone 5 years ago. But... we have gone from a situation where the Level 2 systems available in most new cars went from an impractical gimmick, to very useful and comparable to this in just a few years. New Toyota's (MY 2020) a…
A key phrase here is "just buy a new car". You might be able to afford that but most can't.
I don't know what Comma AI's market strategy is but I would imagine there is a huge potential aftermarket for gizmos like this in capable older motors, with that growing as time moves on and the enabling technology takes hold.
I am willing to bet that the nimble AutoPilot selling Waymo and Tesla have some hope. Cruise and Zoox are burning VC money like crazy with little to show.
It's neat, and a good application of the technology, but honestly I don't see this taking off because the gap between the tech and execution is closing quickly. Comma was really far ahead of everyone 5 years ago. But... we have gone from a situation where the Level 2 systems available in most new cars went from an impractical gimmick, to very useful and comparable to this in just a few years. New Toyota's (MY 2020) a…
That's a $50k 2020 model with all premium features added. I haven't tried Comma, but from what I can see it can actually drive itself in the most routine situation - staying in a lane on a freeway. My Pacifica can't do that, even though it has 8 cameras and a radar.
The most surprising part about this to me is that there seems to be a somewhat standardized computer interface for controlling cars with an external device. I would never have guessed that, I thought for sure every maker would come up with their own unique design and require you to buy adapters or whatnot.
It's mandated by regulation in all cars after..2002? It's a port most often situated close to the steering wheel, the interface is a bog standard CAN bus. Where it differs between cars is what command sets are used and allowed (eg sometimes proprietary ones are used, and controlling things may not be possible). It's common to extract diagnostics about the car from this port. For example, when buying a used car this i…
Just wanted to add many comments on Can and obdII:
In the United States the obdII port is required beginning in model year 1996. The obdII port and the CAN is analogous to rj45 and cat5, 5e, 6, etc.
Should note, the can bus is anything but bog standard.
However, in 2008 the United States required that all vehicles provide an iso15765 interface as the basis of the on board diagnostics. Iirc, 15765 is a subset of Can that's for cars and not forklifts. Can is controller area network.
There are a large variety of protocols talked across Can, far too many to list as you have noted. There are schemes which are serial, parralel addressed and not, and even analog signaling cohabitating this generic breakout port.
Where it differs between cars is the capabilities of the DLC, if the vehicles isn't equipped with a sensor suite, there will be no correspondent ecu subsystem to query, but for the most part you can send control messages to anything you want on a DoT approved vehicle, unless it is locked away behind a specific gateway and the car manufacturer is still hiding the method to control access to the device.
None of this applies to infotainment devices or comfort features.
Consumers should rue the day we return to the age of mystery subsystems requiring special protocols.
The reason I say this (and I suspect but, can't remember the 2008 iso 15765 mandate rationale) is that you probably want your mechanic to be able to fix your car, right?
Anybody who might be interested in the wild and fun world of automotive Com protocols such as this I can recommend to you this good and recent resource from 2020: https://www.csselectronics.com/screen/page/simple-intro-to-c...