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Also, what do you think about diffwave? Only seen speech examples so far but seems an order of magnitude faster than wavenet.
For people who don’t play guitar, this is really commonplace technology now. Engineers worked out how to model the circuit behavior of any amp a while ago. Powerful valve guitar amps have really interesting effects on the waveform particularly when driven hard, but that valve technology is expensive, unreliable, bulky, and very loud when producing some of the most sought after tones. The most popular guitar amps now…
When you start talking about professional gear, the cost of modeling amps is more than tubes.
I'd also contest that this is "figured out" - this area is actively researched.
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Thanks for the input. If I had 500$ or so could I make a digital bass pedal / tube amp ,?
Make, probably not.. But at that price point just get a used Helix LT which will be light years ahead of anything you can bodge together. This is one of those areas where both the hardware AND the software really matter. You can't touch the available hardware because of economies of scale - they're buying DSP chips, enclosures, power supplies, by the thousand at least. And they have multi-person full time teams worki…
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It is really interesting to see this becoming more widespread. I am waiting for a delivery in the first batch of the Quad Cortex.
If real world reviews confirm the previews I’ve encountered, that’ll be the one for me. It really seems phenomenal.
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> The most popular guitar amps now are all solid state Maybe on the low end of the market, but tube amps still reign supreme for most serious players.
There are plenty of touring musicians using Kemper digital models of their tube amps or Helix/AxeFX
For people who don’t play guitar, this is really commonplace technology now. Engineers worked out how to model the circuit behavior of any amp a while ago. Powerful valve guitar amps have really interesting effects on the waveform particularly when driven hard, but that valve technology is expensive, unreliable, bulky, and very loud when producing some of the most sought after tones. The most popular guitar amps now…
A decent tube amp is not significantly more expensive than a decent modeling amp, particularly considering the used market. They're also just as "bulky" as a solid state amp - the heaviest components are the power transformer and drivers. When you start talking about professional gear, the cost of modeling amps is more than tubes. I'd also contest that this is "figured out" - this area is actively researched.
For a stadium band. It makes the stage setup much easier. No cabinets, mics and low stage volume. Each member gets a rack with two units (backup) and you are done. Sound will be always the same. Less likely to fail.
For a small band, you don't need the bulky rack editions. You get the same sound quality in pedal form (Helix, FM-3, etc). It can be carried in a bag.
In both cases, the sound engineer has an easier job. You plug your devices directly to the mixer/Front of House.
Most musicians program few pre-defined rigs, but a device like this gives you not only one sound, but the sound of ~300 amplifier models including some rare collection items.
For people who don’t play guitar, this is really commonplace technology now. Engineers worked out how to model the circuit behavior of any amp a while ago. Powerful valve guitar amps have really interesting effects on the waveform particularly when driven hard, but that valve technology is expensive, unreliable, bulky, and very loud when producing some of the most sought after tones. The most popular guitar amps now…
> The most popular guitar amps now are all solid state Maybe on the low end of the market, but tube amps still reign supreme for most serious players.
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There are plenty of touring musicians using Kemper digital models of their tube amps or Helix/AxeFX
I just returned a Helix because of lackluster... everything. I'll try modelers again in a few years. I think of tube amps a lot like I think about Vim.
But as far as guitar instrumentation goes— I have a lot of respect for good solid state amplifiers—think Roland Jazz Chorus—that are not modelling another sound but a very intensively tuned original instrument.
As for physical, electrical amplifiers versus a software emulated version I just can’t see the point in using one outside of the [potential] convenience.
Now, if your goal is to take that signal and twist it into something new altogether that’s different. But if I want to sound like an AC30 I don’t know why I would use something like hats just trying to sound like an AC30 versus something that is and AC30.
Lacklustre has always been my experience. Like leaving a tube amp too quiet—not saturating the tubes. It just tends to sound dull.
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Yes, SHARC is pretty widespread. I'm not talking about the DSP though. You need an ADC on the frontend and a DAC on the backend.
Thanks for the input. If I had 500$ or so could I make a digital bass pedal / tube amp ,?
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> The most popular guitar amps now are all solid state Maybe on the low end of the market, but tube amps still reign supreme for most serious players.
Yeah I didn’t get this statement. I only play tube amps, and most guitarists I know only play tube amps. I actually don’t know anyone that plays a modeling amp. Maybe they’re more popular outside of my sphere, but even with popular YouTube guitars players, they all play tube amps. Mostly Fender.
The volume required to crank and get the best of it sounds it makes it too loud for almost any residential area.
One of the best features of modeling amps is that you can get the sound of a cranked amp set at a high volume, with low/moderate real volume or even with head-phones.
Even in a rehearsal room, real amps are too loud and make the band members start competing for volume. Low stage volume and in-ear-monitoring allows me to play better.