What's about the scoring system which bans people from posting on forums?
forums have accounts, not people
China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
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Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#82I am glad this is being tried out, perhaps it will lead to happier communities. I just wish it was done in a smaller and freer society.
conformism has and still is being practiced by many societies. debateable if they are happier - they are mostly more suicidal
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#83The SCS is the wet dream of every State and Covid-1984 is playing a big part at making it possible to make meassures possible all over the globe, i.e. AUS.
A very concerning development and a frightening outlook of the future.
Black Mirror is becoming reality.
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#84What's about the scoring system which bans people from posting on forums?
> What's about the scoring system which bans people from posting on forums?
This is blatant "What's aboutism"
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#85Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? The goals will be modulated by the persons or groups in power. From what I've seen, the powerful in China seek a stable, well behaved, productive workforce such that the profit from their labor can accrue to the benefit of the ruling class. A data collection system as pervasive as the social credit system that feeds into a self-optimizing control center that can…
>Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for?
You're completely right. The purpose of such a system shall be used to maintain power but that's not the sole purpose of such a system. More than just benefiting the ruling class China wants to be better than and more powerful than the United States of America in every possible way. In order to do this their policies must benefit the working class as well as it is the working class that will be responsible for building a society that supasses the United States economically and technologically.
It's naive to think that China sole purpose is just to have a fat happy ruling class... as the status quo pretty much supports that already. Like all humans no one stays satisfied forever and China's ruling class wants to be better than the United States. Given the state of things China of course has ambitions far greater than your presumptions.
That being said there is a more immediate purpose for the system that involves changing people's' behavior so that they can avoid the tragedy of the commons. If you ever been to China you'll notice that people in general just don't care about the common good. Such systems stop people from pissing on the sidewalk or shitting out in an open field, spitting everywhere and littering cigarette butts wherever they please as this is much of what chinese people do without care.
Improving society is not just a gimmicky cover for consolidating power. It is an actual goal to be used in conjunction with consolidating power. Chinas' goal is to build a happy society that is more affluent and happy than the US but has less freedoms.
A similar system has already been tried in another country successfully. They used extreme punishment in place of extreme monitoring. See Singapore. In Singapore you can get the death penalty for possessing weed, not kidding.
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#86Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? The goals will be modulated by the persons or groups in power. From what I've seen, the powerful in China seek a stable, well behaved, productive workforce such that the profit from their labor can accrue to the benefit of the ruling class. A data collection system as pervasive as the social credit system that feeds into a self-optimizing control center that can…
>Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? You're completely right. The purpose of such a system shall be used to maintain power but that's not the sole purpose of such a system. More than just benefiting the ruling class China wants to be better than and more powerful than the United States of America in every possible way. In order to do this their policies must benefit the working class as well as it…
I'd be happy to let the chinese take over but I think they'd put me in a death camp and harvest my organs and rape my sister because we're brown.
Just seems like what they'd do, after seeing what they're doing to the uighurs.
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#87Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? The goals will be modulated by the persons or groups in power. From what I've seen, the powerful in China seek a stable, well behaved, productive workforce such that the profit from their labor can accrue to the benefit of the ruling class. A data collection system as pervasive as the social credit system that feeds into a self-optimizing control center that can…
>Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? You're completely right. The purpose of such a system shall be used to maintain power but that's not the sole purpose of such a system. More than just benefiting the ruling class China wants to be better than and more powerful than the United States of America in every possible way. In order to do this their policies must benefit the working class as well as it…
"Chinas' goal is to build a happy society that is more affluent and happy than the US but has less freedoms."
It seems this is the case if you're Han Chinese only.
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#88A government system is only good as the governance. In China's case, it is only as good as the CCP dictator. What if the next leader of CCP is corrupt or even worse, incompetent af?
On the other hand, in a democracy that accepts and markets social score is pretty bad as well. This black mirror episode captures the social score society really well https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5497778/
One might say, oh this is just scoring minor misdemeanor-type activity. Misdemeanors are also only as good as the law classifying crime. Here are some weird US misdemeanors https://www.teenvogue.com/story/7-federal-misdemeanors-worse...
I'm no fan of US politics. But I am strongly for the principle that the government serves the people and not the other way around. And in that, I don't want the government )or some bureaucrats) deciding the future of a human.
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#89Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? The goals will be modulated by the persons or groups in power. From what I've seen, the powerful in China seek a stable, well behaved, productive workforce such that the profit from their labor can accrue to the benefit of the ruling class. A data collection system as pervasive as the social credit system that feeds into a self-optimizing control center that can…
Judging from tik toks and r/scriptedasiangifs: misogyny is one thing being optimized for.
"misogyny" has lost its meaning, as it is such a frivolously used term.
good riddance. it's mostly a feminist-branded term, pushed as part of a category (men vs women) neomarxist classist oppression narrative.
frankly, I don't see what point you're trying to make, except trying to make anything/everything about misogyny-- which is precisely why it has lost its meaning. Perhaps it's your psychological projection, or your virtue signal?
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#90We have the exact same thing here, we just call the points “dollars”