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French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by vianneychevalie »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #25
car wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would it possibly make the world a better place if fathers were forced to not work?! Because they would be able to bond with their children during paternity leave, which is a huge positive for father and child. Forcing someone to stop working would likely piss a lot of people off, and would generally hurt the companies these fathers work for. So it’s better to hurt children then ‘companies’? Edit: I agree that fa…

The father should be able to choose when and how he bonds with his children. It isn’t for the state to decide the fathers work schedule that is best for him to raise a child. That’s government overreach. It’s one thing for the government to say you may stop working. It’s another thing entirely for them to force you to do so.

How about mandatory education?

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by fileeditview »

straw11 wrote: post #7

Meanwhile in Germany people get 14months paid leave. Where neither parent can take more than 12.

It's important to note here that paid means 67% of you net salary but only up to 1800€. While this is nice, this is not enough to just live off for most people (that don't have a lot of savings).

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by rapsey »

gnicholas wrote: post #79
rapsey wrote: post #75

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If the father is working that does not mean he is absent for the entire day and unavailable to help at all. > shop for groceries, prepare food Can be done at any time of the day (you know prepare and reheat later) and by any of the parents. Even if one of them is absent for 8 hours.

This is hilariously out of touch. Shopping for groceries with an infant (or an infant + toddler) is a challenge for a single parent. It is absurd to say that you can shop for groceries at any time of day — you have to go when the kids are not napping (ever have two kids on different nap schedules?) or nursing, and then you have to manage getting them into and out of car seats, shopping carts, etc. Your comments strik…

Are you only reading the first few words of my sentences or something.

One parent is with the kids, the other goes shopping. Same for cooking. Both of these activities can be completed once the other parent comes back from work. Just because one person works does not mean they are completely unavailable to help in any way.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by onion2k »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #15
dleslie wrote: post #4

It really irked me that here in Canada the options were generally skewed towards mothers remaining home. You can split 40 weeks of parental leave, but many employers won't provide parental benefits and those that do often only provide parental benefits to mothers. For instance, my employer at the time provided wage top-up for women on leave but nothing for men. Just one of _many_ structually sexist policies in societ…

A good start would be outlawing negative scoring of candidates due to gaps.

If a company gives you a negative score due to a gap that's explained by taking time out to look after a baby then you're probably better off not working there.

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Post by pencilcode »

rapsey wrote: post #72
gnicholas wrote: post #33

Paternity leave can be a great thing for father/child bonding, and for equalizing opportunity for women (who face greater social/practical pressure to take their leave), who can fall behind male colleagues by taking their leave. Unfortunately, it's hard to force men to take their leave, and in the US a lot of men don't because it is frowned upon socially in many companies. One possible way to incentivize men to take…

It may not be politically correct. But the vast majority of women prefer prioritizing their children over their careers. The vast majority of men prefer being the provider for their families. > Unfortunately, it's hard to force men to take their leave How about we don't force people into things.

Men should be given the opportunity to bond very early on with their kids too. Being there as a father.

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Post by google234123 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #12
WalterBright wrote: post #11

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> the leave is unpaid All employer-paid employee benefits ultimately come with a reduction in salary. The reason is simple - companies do not look at your salary when deciding if it is worth hiring you. They look at total compensation (salary + benefits). The larger the benefits, the lower the salary. Me, I prefer minimal benefits and maximal salary.

Some states (and other countries) offer paid family leave (not only applicable to births) via payroll taxes, i.e. wealth redistribution. Me, I prefer a society where children have a higher probability of being attended to by their parents even if it costs me some money.

payroll taxes on employers = less salary

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by didibus »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #25
car wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would it possibly make the world a better place if fathers were forced to not work?! Because they would be able to bond with their children during paternity leave, which is a huge positive for father and child. Forcing someone to stop working would likely piss a lot of people off, and would generally hurt the companies these fathers work for. So it’s better to hurt children then ‘companies’? Edit: I agree that fa…

The father should be able to choose when and how he bonds with his children. It isn’t for the state to decide the fathers work schedule that is best for him to raise a child. That’s government overreach. It’s one thing for the government to say you may stop working. It’s another thing entirely for them to force you to do so.

I'm not advocating for this, but I find the thought worth exploring.

I think with rasing children there's a question of where lies the responsability and consequences? Laws mandate many things that are meant for you to clean up after yourself and not leave a mess which others have to be burdened with.

In theory, one could argue raising a child is a similar scenario, and I think we already have many laws around it to some extent.

So it could be said that both parents must share the burden, and thus they could both be mandated to take time off. Or it could be argued that this will lead to children raised better and who will be more productive to society at large, so also could justify mandating it, etc.

I'm not really into the idea, because it assumes a lot and I feel so many situations related to parenthood are much more complex, so it's hard to blanket say what is best for all parties, but I feel it's not unprecedented to make laws around responssabilities of a parent towards their child.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by gnicholas »

rayiner wrote: post #46

I support long paid family leaves, but I find this framing odd: > The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) grants some mothers and fathers the ability to take 12 weeks unpaid leave and return to a protected job, depending on the size and type of the company. But the law leaves many parents at the mercy of the state in which they live (only three, California, New Jersey, and Rhode Island, grant paid leave) or their emp…

For sure. In CA, for example, I think parental leave is (at least partly) categorized as "temporary disability". Employees pay are forced to pay into temporary disability insurance, so it makes sense that when they are then eligible, they get to draw from that fund. It does get weird when a company offers certain benefits to employees in one state versus another though. I'm sure many companies top-up the benefits available in low-benefit states in order to avoid bad feelings/confusion among employees.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by imtringued »

pmiller2 wrote: post #31
klipt wrote: post #30

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Probably not many houses in Sweden can fit 12 kids?

I’d say it’s probably more like there aren’t many Swedes who could deal with a house with 12 kids. The after school logistics alone must be a nightmare. Either that, or there’s something plugging the loophole the GP mentions.

What about the difficulty of having 12 pregnancies? You'd have to set aside 12 years in the first place. A woman in such a family isn't planning on working.
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