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Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by taneq »

foolfoolz wrote: post #56
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #53

The U.S. has a brain drain problem. This is what I was trying to explain to all my friends who jumped ship after the 2016 presidential election. The only way to save the U.S. is for all the good people to stay but "noooooooooooooooo", all the smart people wanted to run off to canada or germany or whatever. Please come back. It's getting really bad.

your bubble does not represent reality. the u. s. is and has been the destination for brain drain for decades. and our decades long green card application list shows it’s not going anywhere

Ten years ago the U.S. was the default destination to go and get rich as a tech worker. Now, I don't think I know anyone who wouldn't have serious misgivings about moving there.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by srtjstjsj »

konbaji wrote: post #46
snazz wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. I fundamentally disagree with you, but I’m interested in hearing your viewpoint. Would you be willing to expand on what you mean by this statement? Are you referring primarily to jobs and government assistance?

> but I’m interested in hearing your viewpoint. Given my downvotes it seems others here are not so interested. Nevertheless, I will give you an example. Housing. I am a bay area native and through my lifetime I have seen certain immigrants from Europe and South Asia, push up the cost of housing. Those tech H1B workers only serve to exacerbate this issue. I can no longer afford to buy a property unless I work in tech…

Why do you feel entitled to live in the bay area? Why not move to India or Nevada?

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by trhway »

angst_ridden wrote: post #62
MattyMc wrote: post #49

Canada is benefiting substantially from the recent US immigration policies. My Ai team at Microsoft Canada was stacked with talent, all immigrants, and most expressed to me that they would have “normally gone to the US.” I don’t have to remind this community of the laundry list of tech giants started by immigrants. However, if anyone outside the US is reading this we’d love to have you in Canada. Come here, please.

The current approval time for residency applications is 49 months. I'm sure it's less for straight-up worker visas, though. EDIT: I was not sufficiently precise. I'm not speaking of Express Entry / skills-based applications here. If you have a high score in the CRS system, you are eligible for other programs which may be much faster.

> 49 months

wow. A decade ago Canada specifically targeted H1Bs promising 6 months special fast trek instead of the typical 18 back then. Interesting why such a change since then - too many applicants and/or budget cuts?

Edit in response to the comment below: i'm talking about permanent residency - the points, etc - not just work visa.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by peterburkimsher »

angst_ridden wrote: post #62
MattyMc wrote: post #49

Canada is benefiting substantially from the recent US immigration policies. My Ai team at Microsoft Canada was stacked with talent, all immigrants, and most expressed to me that they would have “normally gone to the US.” I don’t have to remind this community of the laundry list of tech giants started by immigrants. However, if anyone outside the US is reading this we’d love to have you in Canada. Come here, please.

The current approval time for residency applications is 49 months. I'm sure it's less for straight-up worker visas, though. EDIT: I was not sufficiently precise. I'm not speaking of Express Entry / skills-based applications here. If you have a high score in the CRS system, you are eligible for other programs which may be much faster.

49 months for Canada? Oh no, I guess I'll never be able to settle down, marry, and have kids. Canada was my backup option if NZ doesn't work out.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by peter303 »

dwheeler wrote: post #4

This is absurd. I'm a US citizen, so I'll contact my Congressman to have his staff look into it. I don't have any special power, any US citizen can contact their congressman, but maybe that will kick-start something.

Careful. You could end up on a no-fly list or worse for consorting with persona non grata. (I am paranoid)

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by monkeycantype »

nathansoz wrote: post #31
konbaji wrote: post #19

I am a strong supporter of the current administration's restrictions on immigration. The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. Moreover, we need less "white immigrants" to come here in order to maintain diversity.

This is just... wrong? We want smart people here in the US. We should poach them and entice them to come here by all reasonable measures. Plus, people aren't having kids like they used to. So you need to replace population somehow. See also: Japan.

'we want smart people' I agree with this sentiment, but feel in both the US and here in Australia it is used to deflect examination of the specifics of how immigration is being used. I think in our eagerness to oppose xenophobic ideologies, we are currently failing to articulate the problems with immigration programs.

I fear in Australia we are creeping towards a regressed, more limited form of democracy. Foreign workers who come here not as free agents, but within the constraints of a specific work contract are an ever increasing fraction of the population - a fraction that skews heavily towards non-professional working class - and have no access to political representation.

This leaves them vulnerable to exploitation, and that exploitation is used as an economic lever against the entire population.

I believe bringing people to work in our economies without a clear fast path to full citizenship is eroding citizenship for all.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by angst_ridden »

trhway wrote: post #83
angst_ridden wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current approval time for residency applications is 49 months. I'm sure it's less for straight-up worker visas, though. EDIT: I was not sufficiently precise. I'm not speaking of Express Entry / skills-based applications here. If you have a high score in the CRS system, you are eligible for other programs which may be much faster.

> 49 months wow. A decade ago Canada specifically targeted H1Bs promising 6 months special fast trek instead of the typical 18 back then. Interesting why such a change since then - too many applicants and/or budget cuts? Edit in response to the comment below: i'm talking about permanent residency - the points, etc - not just work visa.

This isn't for work visas, which I imagine is probably much easier. This is for unrestricted residency.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by taurath »

MattyMc wrote: post #49

Canada is benefiting substantially from the recent US immigration policies. My Ai team at Microsoft Canada was stacked with talent, all immigrants, and most expressed to me that they would have “normally gone to the US.” I don’t have to remind this community of the laundry list of tech giants started by immigrants. However, if anyone outside the US is reading this we’d love to have you in Canada. Come here, please.

How about immigrants from the US, say in the November timeframe?

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by boomboomsubban »

ashtonkem wrote: post #43
q3k wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the 'than anywhere else' part that I have an issue with. If that's the way you see it, you're doing this at the explicit detriment of everyone outside your country. There's ways to grow that 'intelligence pool' locally, without having to see the rest of the world as just a pool of immigration candidates. Not to mention, just because someone travels to the US doesn't mean they want to actually immigrate there...

From an economic perspective, having a specific person in your economy is zero sum; either they’re in your country or they’re not in your country.

This doesn't make sense. Their labor can benefit your economy even if they don't live there, and they can consume your countries goods without living there.
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