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Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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post #23

So a city of 30k people requires less infrastructure than a city of 6M people? Where are the examples of major metropolitan areas without big freeway intersections?

Ahmedabad, India appears to have about 6M people and 1 highway interchange. The interchange isn't even a full cloverleaf, but instead only allows 4 of the standard 8 cloverleaf options. In 2012 it was listed as India's best city to live in.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Thanks for taking the obnoxious "Yes, this" off the title.

Yes, it's one of the weirdest pet-peeve trends over the past 5-10 years. No, I do not like it, thanks for asking.

Wait, you didn't ask me? You mean nobody was asking me, it's just something I decided to couch in a response to a conversation that wasn't going on?

But seriously, I wonder what's going on when we do this. My theory is that it originally caught on to lend credence to what we're saying when we pretend our statement is actually a response to an open question, though now it's just subconscious rhetorical device to emphasize a point, I would imagine.

As for the article, growing up 45min outside of Houston, that interchange is all I think about when I entertain the idea of moving to Houston or DFW. There's something grotesque about it and the feeling it gives me. Cars, traffic, and this need to slave away in a commute.

Austin keeps voting down highway extension proposals. I'm sure anyone who has to sit in Austin traffic daily hates that, but we can't have every damn city in Texas becoming a concrete metropolis.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#83

"Rather, Cold War–era urban design philosophy in the U.S. prioritized sprawl because older cities that had urbanized pre–World War II—New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Detroit—were seen as being susceptible to nuclear strikes. Less-dense cities such as Los Angeles and Houston were less likely to be targeted for a nuclear attack. Sprawl was a deterrent against Soviet aggression." That's the first time I've heard th…

This article just shows American exceptionalism in it's true form:

Whenever Americans are confronted by foreigners with the fact that they under perform or do less well in some area, they find some good excuse why they are actually not under performing. The sprawl is not just a side effect of car culture, or zoning laws, or whites not wanting to live next to colored people, or the land being cheaper far from city centers.

No, it was actually a feature designed to prevent a nuclear attack.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#84
post #46
post #7

The elephant in the room is the assumption that _everyone wants to be stacked on top of each other_. I do agree that designing cities around cars has ruined a lot of nice places though.

They don't want to be stacked, but they do want jobs, they want Chinese/Indian/French/... restaurants, they want daycares, they want schools, they want high-schools, they want notaries, and hospitals and clinics, they want shopping malls and delis, they want pharmacies and pawn shops, ... It's almost like wanting 50000 people with different professions nearby means you have to live next to 50000 people. Until we disc…

I'm confused as to whether you're describing urban living or suburban living. Both have everything mentioned, the latter without being stacked on top of your neighbors.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#85
This is the intersection of East Freeway and East Loop. It occupies about 1.58 km^2. It is an older interchange reflective of relatively modest traffic volume that set a wide space to ensure room for future growth (which didn't happen on the eastern side of the city). Many newer interchanges operate at higher volume and density.

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7748476,-95.2664193,17.32z

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#86
post #12

GDP: Houston, Texas = ~$500B/yr Siena, Tuscany = ~$11B/yr

I think the point being made here is that manufacturing and distribution require roads. People can live in sardine cans however manufacturing / industrial sectors cannot. Zooming in on a engineering marvel for traffic handling and comparing it to high density mixed use housing is a tad non sequitur. Albeit an interesting photo and thought exercise.

The manufacturing and industrial sectors existed before automobiles, as did cities.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#87

"Rather, Cold War–era urban design philosophy in the U.S. prioritized sprawl because older cities that had urbanized pre–World War II—New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Detroit—were seen as being susceptible to nuclear strikes. Less-dense cities such as Los Angeles and Houston were less likely to be targeted for a nuclear attack. Sprawl was a deterrent against Soviet aggression." That's the first time I've heard th…

That sounds like a new "lost cause" myth to explain white flight.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#88
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? Can't aspire to a better future where we don't sit in traffic for hours to get across the city, choking our skies with car smog and carbon dioxide that'll ruin the environment for future generations? Our design philosophy around cities are the biggest mistake made of 20th century American politics, and I'll die on that hill.

Don’t live there if you don’t like it?

We all live in an interconnected world. The choices made around the country to prioritize cars have led to negative externalities for all of us.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#89
post #8

I live in Texas. This assertion is true of most cities in Texas also. Houston is the largest population center in Texas with 6M+ in the city. Also Houston is a busy center for interstate and international commerce especially for trucking.

There are almost 7M in the Houston metro area. The city of Houston itself has a population of around 2.3M.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#90

It's interesting that protests generally happen in dense parts of cities. Now imagine a city without a dense part - protesting becomes more difficult. Myanmar's non-democratic military government actually moved their capital from a dense city to a new city so spread out and with no downtown area - potentially to prevent the ability to protest the government. https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/inside-burma-s-ghost-t…

"Some of Haussmann's critics said that the real purpose of Haussmann's boulevards was to make it easier for the army to maneuver and suppress armed uprisings; Paris had experienced six such uprisings between 1830 and 1848, all in the narrow, crowded streets in the center and east of Paris and on the left bank around the Pantheon. These critics argued that a small number of large, open intersections allowed easy control by a small force."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haussmann%27s_renovation_of_Pa...

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