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Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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"Rather, Cold War–era urban design philosophy in the U.S. prioritized sprawl because older cities that had urbanized pre–World War II—New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Detroit—were seen as being susceptible to nuclear strikes. Less-dense cities such as Los Angeles and Houston were less likely to be targeted for a nuclear attack. Sprawl was a deterrent against Soviet aggression."

That's the first time I've heard that. Interesting, if true.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#16
post #5

Ok? And? It’s interesting trivia but it doesn’t mean much. A well packed slum could fit 10x that amount in that land. Or you could have a vineyard or you could have a train station. It’s an arbitrary comparison. Land gets used in many different ways that make sense for the local people. Some seem “better” but that requires certain “assumptions “. Is arid desert “wasted”?

The article goes on to discuss the issue of sprawl and how cities like Houston are building themselves into a corner by constantly expanding infrastructure like this. The ironic part of this comparison is that Siena is a much older community than Houston, which, like most of America, embraced a sprawl mentality in the 50’s as a Cold War risk mitigation strategy.

Climate change is arguably a more pressing threat to Houston than thermonuclear war, but the city doesn’t have many other options than to continue sprawling.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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"Rather, Cold War–era urban design philosophy in the U.S. prioritized sprawl because older cities that had urbanized pre–World War II—New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Detroit—were seen as being susceptible to nuclear strikes. Less-dense cities such as Los Angeles and Houston were less likely to be targeted for a nuclear attack. Sprawl was a deterrent against Soviet aggression." That's the first time I've heard th…

I'm not sure I buy it; it sounds like a 'just-so' story. Sprawl is popular because it allows for larger properties at lower prices relative to dense urban development. The vast majority of real estate developers have likely never seriously considered factors like probability of a nuclear strike as a criteria for selecting land for development.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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"Rather, Cold War–era urban design philosophy in the U.S. prioritized sprawl because older cities that had urbanized pre–World War II—New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Detroit—were seen as being susceptible to nuclear strikes. Less-dense cities such as Los Angeles and Houston were less likely to be targeted for a nuclear attack. Sprawl was a deterrent against Soviet aggression." That's the first time I've heard th…

I'm not sure I buy it; it sounds like a 'just-so' story. Sprawl is popular because it allows for larger properties at lower prices relative to dense urban development. The vast majority of real estate developers have likely never seriously considered factors like probability of a nuclear strike as a criteria for selecting land for development.

I don't buy it at all. Population centers are secondary targets after military targets.

Besides, the USSR and USA had (have) enough nukes that a spread out city is irrelevant.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#19
post #7

The elephant in the room is the assumption that _everyone wants to be stacked on top of each other_. I do agree that designing cities around cars has ruined a lot of nice places though.

I agree with you, and I expressed the same point four years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11908567

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

#20

"Rather, Cold War–era urban design philosophy in the U.S. prioritized sprawl because older cities that had urbanized pre–World War II—New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Detroit—were seen as being susceptible to nuclear strikes. Less-dense cities such as Los Angeles and Houston were less likely to be targeted for a nuclear attack. Sprawl was a deterrent against Soviet aggression." That's the first time I've heard th…

I'm not sure I buy it; it sounds like a 'just-so' story. Sprawl is popular because it allows for larger properties at lower prices relative to dense urban development. The vast majority of real estate developers have likely never seriously considered factors like probability of a nuclear strike as a criteria for selecting land for development.

I'm not sure whether the story is true, but it's worth noticing that developers are not the only drivers here—changes zoning laws and federal funding both played a major role, and it seems plausible for the government to take nuclear strikes into account when charting a high-level policy for the country as a whole.
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