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Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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If I was apple I'd quickly exempt Epic and allow them to charge however they want, but not change the rules for anyone else. The number of other players that are large enough to have this kind of sway (so could try the same thing) must be pretty small, and going through the courts might hurt more.

Tim Cook just testified to Congress two weeks ago that they treat all developers equally. That's not a good option for them right now.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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They not only had the lawsuit in hand and ready, but an ad and a deployment strategy to get it launched in game. Epic was clearly planning to go fully public at scale on this issue.

The Apple fees must be in the order of a million dollar every couple days for Epic Games. Expect a full-on battle of the same magnitude. It is well worth it.

Estimates place it higher than that [0]: "Broken down further, "Fortnite" is said to have made $1.6 million each day on Apple's devices; if Apple is pulling in its standard cut of 30%, Apple made somewhere in the realm of $136.5 million on "Fortnite" in 2018.".

[0]: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-fortnite-make-...

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

#83
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I can't put my finger on its validity, but it all resonates the same to me: - Listening to billionaires arguing with each other about what society should be for the benefit of all since this recession started & - Trillions and billions of dollar companies battling it out as if they were the underdog in the public arena for the sympathy of us mere wage earners. The pervading sense I think from Left to Right is the sys…

Burn it all down. Create a new society formed from mutual aid and non-heirchial power structures. Capitalism is the disease.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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I'm curious as to why as a user you want alternative app stores? I understand as a developer why you would but it is less obvious to me how it would improve the experience for users.

There are lots of private apis in iOS which developers are not allowed to use but would allow for a richer, wider variety of apps. For example f.lux has a large feature set which isn’t built into Apple’s night shift. F.lux relies on a private api so the only way to get it on iOS is through Cydia or some other jailbreak App Store. Also I can imagine there would be lots of possibilities for third party watches if apps…

I didn't consider that angle. Although to me that is almost a separate issue. Even If Apple allowed separate App Stores I suspect they would still find a way to prevent access to private APIs.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

#85

The whole strategy here feels pretty unprecedented. Usually these kind of lawsuits happen in the background but Epic seems to be going full force with making it a public campaign. > Apple is blocking your ability to get the latest Fortnite updates! All players should have a choice in payment providers and save up to 20%. Apple wants to limit your payment choices! Join the fight against @AppStore on social with #FreeF…

For better or worse, many individuals and companies have realised that the court of public opinion can have as much (or even more) of an effect than the legal system can. Hence instead of settling issues in private, now a lot of organisations are trying to set off a negative PR storm aimed at their opponents that paints them as the victim/underdog.

So that's the real goal here. To cause enough of a social media controversy/enough drama over this that Apple is pressured to back down/reverse their decision without a court case, while the court case itself is a backup in case that doesn't work.

I think we're going to see a lot more of this going forward, especially when it comes to individuals and companies going against opponents with significantly more resources than them. They may not fear your legal team/resources, but they might well fear their reputation being torn to shreds.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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I'm not a fan of what Apple is doing, and am happy to see it be tested in court. But, I'm not a fan of another multi-million dollar company making such a blatant appeal to emotion, as if Fortnite needs to be "freed", to the common person who has no concept of how nuanced the legalities of this entire thing are. I'll be happy when the theatrics are over with, and we can simply view the outcome of the legal precedent t…

That's correct, Epic's not altruistic here. But who else would be able to fight Apple's lawyers if not another multi-million dollar company?

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Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

#87

If I was apple I'd quickly exempt Epic and allow them to charge however they want, but not change the rules for anyone else. The number of other players that are large enough to have this kind of sway (so could try the same thing) must be pretty small, and going through the courts might hurt more.

Treating every developer exactly the same was a cornerstone statement of Tim Cooks Congress hearing.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

#88
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The Apple fees must be in the order of a million dollar every couple days for Epic Games. Expect a full-on battle of the same magnitude. It is well worth it.

You don't know that unless you know what the legal costs are, their odds of winning the suit, the lost $$ and opportunity cost due to no sales on iOS, the revenue loss from their 20% discount on V-Bucks, etc.

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Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Oh man... That ad was huge... HUGE when it was released. It has its own wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_(advertisement)

Well hugeish ... originally it only played nationwide once (but in the superbowl) However Epic's rework is very on point - Apple has become what it originally claimed it was rising up against

Well they got enough press that they didn't have to air it themselves. The media was doing it for them. :)

For example, I've seen the commercial multiple times on various programs and I wasn't even born when it was released.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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I don’t care about Fortnite, but I would love to have the option to install alternative apps stores on iOS. This has to be the most dramatic example of “running to the press” to date, which I’m sure Apple loathes. If nothing else it’s entertaining.

I'm curious as to why as a user you want alternative app stores? I understand as a developer why you would but it is less obvious to me how it would improve the experience for users.

On Android I always have one or two apps that are sideloaded because they do something Google or Samsung doesn't like. For example, I have an app that requires a lot of effort to install that lets me remap the Bixby button on my phone to whatever I want.

In addition, some open source software is only available this way. iOS, as it stands now, is actually incompatible with most open source licenses.

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