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Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by coldtea »

pjmlp wrote: post #59
EduardoRFS wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most developers, there is a lot of places to get this information but if you look at the stackoverflow survey, which is a survey large enough to be relevant, you get some data around 25% of developers using Linux. We're talking about as their computer, not servers tho, everyone uses Linux for server

> everyone uses Linux for server And here I am deploying .NET and C++ solutions on Windows Servers, strange definition of "everyone".

"Everyone" means most in casual conversation.

You maybe had it confused with the universal quantifier ∀ in a math/logic context, but it's not the same :-)

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by coldtea »

monadic2 wrote: post #67
slezyr wrote: post #35

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> But well most developers aren't actually using Linux. Then it would be Windows and not Mac OS. Is Mac OS any popular outside USA?

I'm not really sure you can call macs "popular" even here in the US.... they're a professional luxury for the most part. I say this with three macs within reach of me.

>I say this with three macs within reach of me.

Well, they're a steady 10% of the PC market, which would make 1 in 10 computer owners in the US have one. Perhaps more have Macs than any other PC brand (if we break them down individually, e.g. Dell, HP, Asus, Microsoft, etc.).

Any coffeeshop is choke full of Mac laptop yielding people. Any university the same. Most developer conferences (Java, Rails, JS, Python, Golang, etc) is 50%+ Macs on the audience (and close to 80% on the . Stack Overflow poll puts Mac desktop use by devs at 27% (Windows 45%/Linux 26%).

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by nicoburns »

josephg wrote: post #79
saagarjha wrote: post #29

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iPhone 5c uses technology from 2012; it was already terrible to use as it approached its end-of-life in 2017. Old phones just don’t really have the lifespan that computers do. (In contrast, my iPhone SE–which is using 5-year-old technology as well–is still an excellent phone.)

I think that’s increasingly not the case. I’m writing this message on an iPhone 6s which honestly still feels great. I had the battery replaced a couple years ago but aside from that I haven’t had any problems with it - all the apps I run on it feel smooth and responsive. (And in some cases better than my desktop since they aren’t running through electron.) If not for the camera and iOS support inevitably ending, I d…

I think the iPhone 6S is actually the oldest phone to which this applies. It was a big step up in processor speed from the 6, and I think it marked the point at which phone cpus hit "fast enough". Hopefully apple continue to support the 6S for at least a couple more years, because I don't think there's any technical reason why they can't.

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by [deleted] »

josephg wrote: post #78
freehunter wrote: post #71

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The subject of the conversation is developers, who are almost by definition luxurious professionals.

It really depends on the programming culture. Game developers and many enterprise software developers almost universally develop on windows. I’ve had conversations with some people from those areas who have been shocked at the idea software developers use macs - they personally don’t know anyone who does. But web development shops (especially node/react/etc), consulting, and SV startups seem to pretty consistently us…

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Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by monadic2 »

coldtea wrote: post #82
monadic2 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really sure you can call macs "popular" even here in the US.... they're a professional luxury for the most part. I say this with three macs within reach of me.

> I say this with three macs within reach of me. Well, they're a steady 10% of the PC market, which would make 1 in 10 computer owners in the US have one. Perhaps more have Macs than any other PC brand (if we break them down individually, e.g. Dell, HP, Asus, Microsoft, etc.). Any coffeeshop is choke full of Mac laptop yielding people. Any university the same. Most developer conferences (Java, Rails, JS, Python, Gola…

I mean this is fair but I don’t see much point in comparing Apple to a single commodity pc manufacturer, no disrespect intended (I love my xps 13). I suspect coffee shops and universities are simply full of the professional class I implied earlier, which makes sense to me.

Also, go to a community college and count the number of macs there. There’s a clear class bias here.

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by lmm »

babaganooj wrote: post #39
nindalf wrote: post #2

I think most programming languages and associated tools will start supporting ARM64 as a first class citizen. The current lack of support isn't due to apathy, just constraints around ARM64 not being popular for desktop development. For example, it's difficult to support a platform that isn't well supported by your CI/CD provider. Linus Torvalds previously said that ARM on the server would never be a thing since devel…

I have this vague idea, which can be completely false, that porting software that runs on ARM64 Linux (which is what cloud servers use) to Mac ARM64 (which I think is BSD derived?) is not trivial. Or is it?

In the general case it's not necessarily trivial, just like porting software from x86 linux to x86 mac is not necessarily trivial. For example your software might rely on some system interface that's done differently on those platforms, e.g. if you're using kprobes then it would take an effort to port that to use dtrace. And if we're talking about a GUI application then the framework it uses might not be first-class on mac, e.g. GTK only works in an X11-based way. But there are cases where it's as simple as pushing the compile button and getting out something working.

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by lmm »

dathinab wrote: post #31
alderz wrote: post #3

By reading the stream of comments on the PR, and from my own experience, I feel that it is extremely cumbersome to do code reviews on Github. Atlassian's Fisheye/Crucible looks like a better solution. Does anyone think otherwise? I think Github has a large room of improvement in this regard; a PR is not the same as an issue.

It's not just git. I have yet to see a platform which does PR code reviews in a way I like. If it's small PR or PR's from trusted sources it's not an problem but once it's bigger and from a third party reviewing it can easily become much more annoying then it should. Besides UX aspects on major offender IMHO is the text based diff algorithm. I had to often changes where you could have created a easily readable diff b…

I spent four years working at a company that uses stash/"bitbucket server". Coming back to GitHub I was shocked at how much worse their PR workflow is.

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by asveikau »

coldtea wrote: post #80
nix23 wrote: post #33

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>But well most developers aren't actually using Linux. What??

Well, most aren't. The huge majority of developers use Windows and many use OS X. In any major dev conference in the US/Europe OS X is almost 50% or more (and almost 80% on the presenters side), while Windows has tons of "silent" users (e.g. not the kind to make noise on blogs/HN/etc, but like 90% of devs anyway, working in enterprise, etc). Even on Stack Overflow poll, which attracts less of the kind of "silent" ent…

It's funny to see your observations about Stack Overflow, because it was co-founded by an ex Microsoft guy (Spolsky) and I remember in early days there it had quite the .NET community which was probably not coincidental. I think they also run the site on .NET.
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