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Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by dathinab » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 4:43 PM UTC

alderz wrote: post #3

By reading the stream of comments on the PR, and from my own experience, I feel that it is extremely cumbersome to do code reviews on Github. Atlassian's Fisheye/Crucible looks like a better solution. Does anyone think otherwise? I think Github has a large room of improvement in this regard; a PR is not the same as an issue.

It's not just git. I have yet to see a platform which does PR code reviews in a way I like.

If it's small PR or PR's from trusted sources it's not an problem but once it's bigger and from a third party reviewing it can easily become much more annoying then it should.

Besides UX aspects on major offender IMHO is the text based diff algorithm. I had to often changes where you could have created a easily readable diff but non content aware git diffs just produced total garbage.

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by mattgreenrocks » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 4:46 PM UTC

nindalf wrote: post #2

I think most programming languages and associated tools will start supporting ARM64 as a first class citizen. The current lack of support isn't due to apathy, just constraints around ARM64 not being popular for desktop development. For example, it's difficult to support a platform that isn't well supported by your CI/CD provider. Linus Torvalds previously said that ARM on the server would never be a thing since devel…

There's confirmation bias at work here, but I've definitely noticed a slight uptick on ARM-related work to various dev tools (think LLVM and whatnot) in 2019-2020 leading up to the announcement. That and $5 gets you a decent cup of coffee, but hey.

OCaml is known for having a small-ish implementation with good performance IIRC (not sure where multicore is these days). Will have to take a look at this.

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by nix23 » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 4:47 PM UTC

EduardoRFS wrote: post #4

nindalf wrote: post #2

I think most programming languages and associated tools will start supporting ARM64 as a first class citizen. The current lack of support isn't due to apathy, just constraints around ARM64 not being popular for desktop development. For example, it's difficult to support a platform that isn't well supported by your CI/CD provider. Linus Torvalds previously said that ARM on the server would never be a thing since devel…

I don't think that was the case for a long time on the tooling side, OCaml has a great support for ARM64 for a long time now, but Linux ARM64. But well most developers aren't actually using Linux. But a thing that is going to change is supporting iOS, one of the reasons that this PR was approved(and it adds support to iOS) it's mostly because there is a Mac ARM64

>But well most developers aren't actually using Linux.

What??

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by Vogtinator » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 4:51 PM UTC

heavyset_go wrote: post #24

cesarb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just ARM; the same has been happening to x86. 32-bit in general is going out of fashion for general-purpose platforms.

I keep a 32-bit x86 Mac alive as a hobby project, and I've noticed the same thing. Debian seems to be the only Linux distribution with a maintained and up-to-date x86 port. edit : I don't want to take up more space in this thread, but would like to thank Vogtinator and saagarjha for pointing out other options for 32-bit Linux distributions.

openSUSE Tumbleweed supports i586 and up.

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by slezyr » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 4:58 PM UTC

EduardoRFS wrote: post #4

nindalf wrote: post #2

I think most programming languages and associated tools will start supporting ARM64 as a first class citizen. The current lack of support isn't due to apathy, just constraints around ARM64 not being popular for desktop development. For example, it's difficult to support a platform that isn't well supported by your CI/CD provider. Linus Torvalds previously said that ARM on the server would never be a thing since devel…

I don't think that was the case for a long time on the tooling side, OCaml has a great support for ARM64 for a long time now, but Linux ARM64. But well most developers aren't actually using Linux. But a thing that is going to change is supporting iOS, one of the reasons that this PR was approved(and it adds support to iOS) it's mostly because there is a Mac ARM64

> But well most developers aren't actually using Linux.

Then it would be Windows and not Mac OS.

Is Mac OS any popular outside USA?

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by the_af » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

nix23 wrote: post #33

EduardoRFS wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that was the case for a long time on the tooling side, OCaml has a great support for ARM64 for a long time now, but Linux ARM64. But well most developers aren't actually using Linux. But a thing that is going to change is supporting iOS, one of the reasons that this PR was approved(and it adds support to iOS) it's mostly because there is a Mac ARM64

>But well most developers aren't actually using Linux. What??

I'm guessing he might have meant OCaml devs? Most development shops I've worked in used Linux servers to host their solution, and mostly Linux/Unix based tools and dev environments (people who preferred Windows as their desktop usually ssh'd to Linux boxes to work).

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by scott31 » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

... to the language which lacks multi-threading

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by blargmaster33 » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

nindalf wrote: post #2

I think most programming languages and associated tools will start supporting ARM64 as a first class citizen. The current lack of support isn't due to apathy, just constraints around ARM64 not being popular for desktop development. For example, it's difficult to support a platform that isn't well supported by your CI/CD provider. Linus Torvalds previously said that ARM on the server would never be a thing since devel…

Since Linus cucked to the SJW everything he say is suspect.

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by babaganooj » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

nindalf wrote: post #2

I think most programming languages and associated tools will start supporting ARM64 as a first class citizen. The current lack of support isn't due to apathy, just constraints around ARM64 not being popular for desktop development. For example, it's difficult to support a platform that isn't well supported by your CI/CD provider. Linus Torvalds previously said that ARM on the server would never be a thing since devel…

I have this vague idea, which can be completely false, that porting software that runs on ARM64 Linux (which is what cloud servers use) to Mac ARM64 (which I think is BSD derived?) is not trivial. Or is it?

Re: OCaml: Add support to iOS/Mac ARM64

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Post by UncleOxidant » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

weitzj wrote: post #23

Does anybody know what’s the status with bitcode support? Last info from about 1.5 years ago was that the Golang and Rust toolchain did not support it, but also Apple did not make it mandatory. What is the current state? Does ocaml support bitcode?

There is an OCaml interpreter that does run a bitcode, is that what you're referring to?